Posted on 03/30/2017 4:38:52 PM PDT by Elderberry
PS, not that I, an aging gentle soul and learned legal scholar would ever advocate violence, but this is what many think should happen to your biker scum friends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTzie3yKh40
ESAD you lying SOS. I had said no such thing.
But I see you're out of ammo (other than personal insults). I must have hurt your wittle feewings. Too bad, so sad. TS?
Wish you could serve a 20 year prison term though. Convicted on false charges, and tried under dubious conditions, where the testimony of persons who were being threatened with life imprisonment (if they didn't make whatever they had to make up sound good enough to secure your own conviction & imprisonment) was what sent you away. That would serve you about right. Good enough for others === good enough for you.
Did reality hurt your little feelings?
Oh, your poor baby
Did you get a mental boo-boo over your poo-poo posts?
We know. All the Waco scum will be convicted on false testimony. The corpses aren’t really dead. Shots were never fired.... and the perps won’t go to jail for so long they will come out old men... or after a few years in prison.... as someone’s bitch.... or horizontal...
BTW, Attended a lecture at DOJ a few years ago. The people who have the worst time in prison are White gang members, like your motorcycle scum friends, in a lockup where 80% of the prisoners are Black or Hispanic.
Poor poo-poo babies.
They did the crime... They WILL do the time! In fact, they will do TEXAS TIME!
Poor poo-poo babies.
You're not in Florida. Right?
Spare me the two-face forked tongue talk. You don't get to feel good and justified about yourself here, while tossing out insults. Stop being such a hypocritical jackass.
Oh sure, you're really I'm worry about them. Yeah, sure you are. Tell me another story.
What happened to the mid-note P.S. (post scripts)? Now you're pleading with me to go to a bank. What do you want me to do? write it down on a piece of paper and hand it to a bank teller?
Sherlock, I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you. You figured that out all by yourself? Wow, man, like stand back! We are in the presence of a towering legal-mind intellect! Right here on FR.
You must mean you want them to go to the DA on hands and knees begging to make a deal. Waco4.
Meanwhile, Paul Looney, who is, as you put it, so I can copy/past it here; "an experienced CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY". He said to Renya -- bring it on. Let's get it over with. Somehow other defendants were slated for trial instead, and that's coming more than a year after Looney said let's see what ya' got, let's put this novel theory (Renya's prosecutorial theory) to the test.
Four, possibly five of those shot dead possibly had been shot by police. Two of them quite possible shot by police only. The police were expecting trouble, and did themselves arrive well armed. They set up a pole camera to help video the action. It's a bit like they wanted it to happen, although to be fair, I think the set-up aspect, the having ginned up a biker war was on the part of the Feds, not the Waco local yokels. Compared to manipulations from within the MC's on part of the Feds (using undercover agents) the Waco PD do look like choirboys in comparison.
Of the 18 wounded -- how many were shot with 5.56x45, or .223 Remington near-equivalent?
Then for crying out loud, arrest and put to trial persons under those charges, who are guilty of that.
Just don't come telling me that Renya's way of insinuating they were all guilty of being criminals (because they had biker paraphernalia on their persons) equals they were all there as part of a conspiracy to commit murder(s). That's BS, and you, and Renya both are FULL OF that.
Feel better now that you've ejaculated in public?
The real bottom line between you and I, is that every weapon you've tried to form against me has failed. Most of your legal argument has either failed, or been shown to only, and to best work whenever there is a normal for McClennan County way of doing business that is not "law" as that is known, in most of the rest of the State of Texas.
"When you combine an extreme level of talent with an extreme level of moral crusade, you can get dangerous outcome, and that is what happened here," English's Houston lawyer, Paul Looney, said of the assistant district attorney spearheading the prosecutions.Looney said that he's never seen anything like the way the wheels of justice turn here.
"I am spending all of my hours shopping bookstore to bookstore for the Book of Waco," Looney said, "because the criminal procedures being followed in Waco are not in any of the $400,000 worth of books I have in my law library."
Instead of trying to protect dangerous clowns like Abelino Renya (and get cheap ya-ya's trying to attack guys like me - sorry I've ruined that for you, lol) perhaps you could put all your learnin' to use in trying to limit the damages guys like him could do in the future?
You are confused. They're not my friends.
It's more like I don't want bad legal precedent(s) to be further enlarged & enforced. That is all.
I'm an American. A Christian. An individual the Lord has spoken directly to, many times. Twice, two late-mornings in a row, He told me in His smallest voice --"you are free". So quiet His voice on those occasions --I almost missed it-- but I know the sound of that voice.
When hearing it the first time, I was puzzled, yet encouraged too. Hearing it again the very next day, when I lay foot-fall on quite possible the very same boards (same exact planks of a wharf on the West Coast) it stuck me. He can swear by none other than Himself. He does confirm His own words to us.
That was approximately 20 years ago by now. I'm still free.
I'm not even going to waste my time clicking on a youtube link that bears no labeling of what it is. Some bad thing you desire to happen to "bikers"? Careful what you wish for, amigo. You may not have the standing to be above the curses casually flung around. They can have a way of turning 'round and biting back. That's one of those "kids -- don't try this at home" kind of things...
Thank you for spending all this time typing all your pro-scum biker, I hate all LEOs, jailhouse lawyer stuff. .
I love to see fools waste time.
Your Waco biker-murderer friends are going away for a long time. You say you are not for them.... then write all the jailhouse lawyer BS how all the legal actions against them is sooooo unfair. Of course the police shot all those poor people.... It’s ALL the police’s fault.
Oh, I’m sorry. It’s all the Feds fault. Obviously the CIA, the FBI, Grey Fox, the NSA, the Freemasons and the Illuminati!
PS, by Texas law, they are ALL guilty of conspiracy. You know that. Why do you deny it.
They will do TEXAS TIME!
Savor it!
Wow.... Your drugs kicked in two days in a row during your California days.... You heard voices inside your head... and you thought it was God talking to you....
Few people admit that.
PS: Too bad you are afraid to look at the YouTube link.
You watch yourself in the mirror do you?
Didn't I just tell you they were not my friends? Yes, I did.
So. You are part of the Waco prosecution team? Or-- just what are truly, noOb? Tell the truth. Wait. nevermind. Too much to ask. I should have known better. There's not much truth in you that I've been able to discern...
Wrong three letter combos. For the death of G.B. in Ft.Worth. YES. The Feds (DEA most likely, although possibly FBI) have his blood on their hands. I predict they will be successful in wiping it off onto who's likely to be the trigger-man. Poor guy. I kinda' fell sorry for him, even though he does 'look like hell'. Jolly Ol' Nick picked the right guy to be fall-guy(?) Then again, Nick was manipulated too. Just maybe. I do wonder what he really thinks. Not what he'd really say, but what he really thinks when thinking about things, quietly, in the dark. Have him send me a freepmail, would you?
Conspiracy to commit assault, and murder? You capitalized the word ALL. I used to do that when talking about this issue on this forum, prior to yourself having signed up.
The problem is they are not ALL guilty of being part of conspiracy to commit crime, in Waco, in the parking area of the now-closed Twin Peaks restaurant. It would be impossible, unless there was some word distributed --- that Renya knew about (but has still not yet disclosed -- that; that would be time and place to LAUNCH attacks).
DEFENDING oneself, and ones associates from assault is yet again an entirely different matter, including being aware of the possibility the possibility some az-hole might do something stupid and start a fight. The local Cossacks chapter president, according to anecdotal information published in the newspapers, was repeatedly encouraged to attend the event --- by a Waco PD officer who was hoping to convince that Cossacks MC chapter president to try to 'work out a peace' between the two MC's.
Widening th scope of things to take into considertion another case, a "Federal" case I take it ---Who influenced Portillo to allegedly "declare war" against the Cossacks MC? That latter club did not bill themselves as 1%'ers. Nor were they on LE agencies lists of "outlaw" MC's prior to having a few of their members criminally assaulted by members of Bandidos MC.
There goes the ALL assertion -- right out the window?p>
How many times need I explain it. How many bites of the apple do you think you deserve, and are owed?
Being alarmed, and upset over abrogations of constitutional rights are not "scum biker, I hate all LEO's" kind of "stuff".
I've noticed as we've gone along here, I've addressed most of what you've had to say, almost line-by-line.
Most of that has either; shown you where the flaws in your own reasoning are, or else have indicated I was already well enough aware of what element of truth may reside in whichever of each of the theatrically presented announcements you cared to make.
Each reply and response of my own, you seemingly have not been able to refute. The pattern (your pattern) has been to abandon some particular way of framing, and discussing the issue ---once that has been refuted, to then try attacking things (including myself, of course) from some different angle. That has most often crashed and burned too. As last resort (?) you have then tried to lump me in with defendants, to see if you could impugn my integrity (thus "win" an argument you were badly losing).
Ah yes, another wasted 10,000 electrons promoting your typical jailhouse lawyer legal BS. Now it’s their “Constitutional Rights”...
(Here’s a hint, start complaining that their civil rights are being violated. That’s always good for another 3 supporters.)
Bottom line, despite what all you LEO and government hating people claim, these motorcycle scum murders and drug dealers and many who came with them with the foreknowledge such crimes were likely to occur are going away for a LONG time.
By the way, you claim they are not ALL guilty. ALL, except those who roll over (and there will be many) will have their chance to establish their innocence before a jury. You do support the Constitutionally-mandated jury system, do you not?
Regarding the “evidence” in the newspaper, how would you go about cross-examining “an anecdote in a newspaper column?” I know, a tough question! A Vulcan Mind Meld with the newsprint, perhaps?
And remember, when it’s all over, they are going to do TEXAS TIME, now in part thanks to people like you who are painting targets on their backs.
Aw, shut up, you lying creep/troll.
I’m not the one who wants to set murderers free.
You are.
Don’t believe it?
Read your own posts.
You want to set free people, who under the laws of Texas, are clearly guilty of murder.
Why?
Of course. Barney Fife can’t screw things up this bad. It takes the Feds.
What personal attack? Then and now.
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Yeaaaaah, I didn't think so.
The GJ in Waco apparently forgot to indict all of the ham sandwiches over at the local SUBWAY.
Even knowing that head count would be interesting.
Even knowing that head count would be interesting.
Yes, it would.
I also wonder where the noOb liar is really from (more importantly, now at) and if a forum moderator would check to see if the isp addresses just so happen to match with another Waco thread troll.
If interested, a moderator could (should possibly, if interested) also make inquiry of yet another freeper who has posted to this thread regarding who he thought may be a match. That was less than entirely clear to me.
Which brings to mind; how many freepers over the years have been 'gubmint agents? We sure had some rooskie-trolls come flooding in back during Euromaidan, with that increasing in the aftermath, and right about up to the Crimean break-away [cough-cough] voting.
Now watch somebody come trippin' along accusing me of being a Soros plant. What the hell? Why not? According to a couple of lying idiots on this thread -- I want murdering drug dealers to go free. May as well go for broke.
Even knowing that head count would be interesting. <<<<<
I think I may have initially misunderstood what you meant when you said "on-site". I was thinking -- undercover agents within MC's and on-site in Waco that fateful day in May. If you were intending to mean on-site of FR, please forgive my being slow on the take-up. Duh. Ice cream cone to the forehead moment for me, maybe.
Ignore the idiots.
They are all a bunch of foolish jailhouse lawyers and LEO haters.
Foe example, they do not even understand that the delay which triggered this post was legally required and benefited the defense.
When this gets close to trial, there will be plenty of witnesses, from the Banditos and Cossacks themselves, who will testify about what happened, all the premeditation of other felonies, and everything else leading up to the shooting, in exchange for lighter sentences.
Best guess, out of these murders, 4 to 7 LWOP or death sentences, at least a dozen or so 3-5 (all hard TEXAS TIME) and a whole bunch of 180 days in County.
The fine people of the Lone Star State are not happy with these scum and they will show their discontent in their verdicts.
BTW, a TS reality: If anyone tries to be a jury holdout, in anything other than the death penalty decision, can you imagine what their life would be like in Waco, or wherever they move the trial for a COV.
PS, my best guess for a COV? Amarillo - Potter County in the Panhandle.
Be well.
Give it time, Son, give it time.
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