Texas Republican Ted Poe Quits Freedom Caucus Over Their #NeverTrump Intransigence…

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[JerseyDvl]

Good post indeed and something the average CNN watching idiot would never consider. You’ve summarized the FC section of “The Swamp” and they have clearly identified themselves as establishment career politicians who care not about their constituents other than what they must tell them to get elected.

Trump’s definitely playing the long game and it’s clear the winning couldn’t last forever. How he bounces back from his initial setbacks will be key. I have faith as he is clearly trying to clean house of the traitors and has to do so without his full team in place, even after all this time. Republicans have screwed him there as well but in the end he who laughs last always laughs best.

[itsahoot]

‘If they’d had a mind to do it, they could have engaged in negotiations in order to get more of what they wanted, but I personally didn’t see much in the way of negotiation.

Do you not understand that Ryan allowed no amendments?

It is amazing to me that as well informed as Freepers are, we are still divided over whether cr@p tastes better from Ryan than it did from Obama.

[Grampa Dave]

“The Freedom Caucus could also be viewed as the body that just saved ObamaCare.”

[Lakeshark]

I trust Trump far more than Ryan or the Freedom Caucus.

I like how he moved on. He's not lingering over the wound, he's just letting others do that while he presses on with the agenda.

I do know this is very complicated with shares of the blame going to all. I hope they can get it together down the road. I doubt that Trump is finished with this, he's just going to regroup when necessary.

I am so thankful he is President right now, no one else could handle this stuff half as well.

[Lakeshark]

“The Freedom Caucus could also be viewed as the body that just saved ObamaCare.”

And Planned Parenthood.

[Grampa Dave]

“The Freedom Caucus could also be viewed as the body that just saved ObamaCare and Planned Parenthood.

[itsahoot]

It’s time for Trump to stop the nonsense and start ruling like a combination of Lincoln/Pinochet on steroids.

It is what I hoped for because I don't think there is any other solution. I won't live long enough to see the complete destruction or resurrection in any case, so I should quit worrying about it.

[itsahoot]

Good, now enjoy obumbercare for the rest of your life.

You act like RyanCare would have changed that, it wouldn't have.

[itsahoot]

despite his close friendship with La Raza traitor Luis Gutierrez, including speaking to illegals with Luis in 6 cities?

So does everyones favorite Trey Gowdy.

[itsahoot]

But they also get credit for keeping ObamaCare and for Planned Parenthood getting to kill another 320,000 babies in the next year on the government dime.

If you think that provision was going to make the cut you are deluded. Both parties are all in for abortion no matter what they say or it would already be gone, at least the part where we have to pay for it.

[Fantasywriter]

That quote came from a different poster.

Nevertheless , a quick search turned this up:

Collins’ Medicaid amendment now part of GOP health bill

2017-03-21 | The Buffalo News

‘Collins’ amendment bars states from shifting Medicaid costs onto the counties outside of New York City. If they did so, states could lose federal funding equal to the amount they charge counties.’

http://cqrcengage.com/ahca/app/document/19865138

[Yosemitest]

"You seem to be under the illusion Trump is a straight up republican;
he really isn’t.
I see him as a true Independent and not how the Independents like bernie sanders defines it.
So what you see as socialism is really more of a centrist attitude.
Not centrist as how either party defines it either;
I mean centrist when the center was truly center-right (5.5) and not at 4-4.5 as I see it now on a scale of 1-10.

I could be wrong... "

First, it's not what "I see it as ..." that matters.
"Words" have meaning, and those meanings are firm, and not up to debate as most liberals would have you believe.

Second, many people have already proven that Trump's ACTIONS and his WORDS clearly define him as a socialist.

It has noting to do with "As anyone see it".
Rather, it's ALL ABOUT Trump's demonstrated behavior, and the definition of types of government.


Now that I've made that clear, you can look up the different types of government yourself and see where Trump fits in.
But really, all you need to do is research his support (or lack thereof) of the United States of America's Constitution.

Now that being said, all I'm interested in ... is ... the truth, plain and simple.

Of what little I caught of Rush today, he covered the subject very well ... of how he perceived what Trump and his administration's strategy is.
(That article really is worth your time, even though it's very long.)
Let's go three quarters of the way into that article.

" ... Try this.
There is a theory here
that the Machiavellian Steve Bannon wanted this to fail
and wanted it to fail to actually help Trump in two ways:
A, You blame it on Ryan.
Make sure everybody realizes that Paul Ryan is who’s standing in Trump’s way.
Create movement and inertia to get rid of Ryan, because Bannon doesn’t like him anyway,
according to news accounts and reports even before the election, during the campaign.
And so the loss here has a long-game aspect to it.
This bill never had a chance of passing, it never had a chance, goes the theory,
because the bill was horrible.
The bill was Obamacare.
It left too much of Obamacare intact.
It had to go down to defeat.

There’s another aspect.
Not only do you blame Ryan, you get to blame the conservatives.
You throw most of the blame on the Freedom Caucus, Mark Meadows and his gang, as the usual culprits.
The conservatives are always the ones standing in the way. See?
They’re the ones that wouldn’t move.
They’re the ones that denied the new president.
They’re the ones that stood in the way of Trump winning, they’re the ones, they’re the ones.
Trump is not ideological.
And there is a war on conservatives in Washington every day.
There has been a war on conservatives every day for the last 50 years.

So it just depends on how deeply you want to take this.
But I’d rather try to say focused on the reality of this, and the reality is the bill failed.
Now, you can juice that up by getting into the theories of
why,
who’s to blame,
could Trump have stopped this?
I mean, the people over at Vox — let me find this one little passage here to explain how the people at Vox were reporting this.
They basically said that
here you have Donald Trump, a president who doesn’t even know what’s in the bill,
had no idea what was in it.

Here it is.
“Donald Trump promised to be a different kind –”
now, Vox is a Millennial, left-wing news outfit, and their game is that they don’t report the news; they explain it.
That’s how they allow their opinion to be inserted into the news.
And so Ezra Klein, who used to be at the Washington Post, said,

“Donald Trump promised to be a different kind of president.
He was a populist fighting on behalf of the ‘forgotten man,’
taking on the GOP establishment, draining the Washington swamp,
protecting Medicaid from cuts, vowing to cover everyone with health care and make the government pay for it.
He was a pragmatic businessman who was going to make Washington work for you, the little guy, not the ideologues and special interests.

“Instead, Trump has become a pitchman for Paul Ryan and his agenda.
He’s spent the past week fighting for a health care bill he didn’t campaign on, didn’t draft, doesn’t understand, doesn’t like to talk about, and can’t defend.
Rather than forcing the Republican establishment to come around to his principles, he’s come around to theirs — with disastrous results.”

This is intended as a theory of how Ryan played Trump.
Now, this is not the health care bill Trump campaigned on, by the way, the specifics of this bill.
The bill that Trump campaigned on, if there is such a thing, is the one that was passed in 2015 and sent up to Obama, who vetoed it.
This is an entirely different beast.
They threw things back in this bill from 2015, the House leadership did.
Trump did not write this, there’s no question,
but he did praise Paul Ryan to the hilt, and he joined right with Paul Ryan on this thing.

When he was selling the bill, he was not selling the bill, when he had these congressmen up to the White House.
He was not getting into the bill and telling them what was good about the bill and why they needed to support it.
He was selling it on the basis that he wanted it, that the party needed it, we need this win,
it was almost a win one for the Gipper kind of thing.
The Republicans with all their different factions said to heck with that, the bill is bad.
The conservative caucus didn’t like it in any way, shape, manner, or form.
The Tuesday Group didn’t like it ’cause it was too conservative.
The conservatives didn’t like it ’cause it was too moderate, and the one thing missing in it was Trump.
He was trying to unify all these people with the power of personality and power of persuasion.
And so now the gaming and the scheming begins. ... "

SO, what I think is ... the Freedom Caucus, Mark Meadows and his gang are the path to FREEDOM from that disaster that ObamaCare is,
and RyanCare was only going to make it worse !
Trump was "MAKING A DEAL" and we, the citizens of the United States, were going to get screwed !
Just THANK GOD that the Freedom Caucus, Mark Meadows and his gang SAVED US from that disaster !

[Yosemitest]

Ted Cruz is NOT Hillary Clinton.
Get a GRIP ...

[Yosemitest]

Thanks for the moral support.
I need it, in order to get these Trumpsters out of their emotions, and into LOGIC.

[eartick]

Never happen my FRiend. Could not hit them in the arse with a bass fiddle and wake them up

[Theophilus]

Just pass Mo’s one sentence repeal and President Trump can bask in the glory.

[Freedom56v2]

In order to deliver on the conservative agenda we have promised the American people for eight years, we must come together to find solutions to move this country forward. Saying no is easy, leading is hard, but that is what we were elected to do.

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Gee I thought they were elected for the first few years to REPEAL...then the word ‘REPLACE’ was added...seems all of a sudden, we are just replacing/tweaking, etc...behold Obamacare-lite.

Where does the Constitution give the government the right to control 1/6 of the US economy? Where does it say government can control my healthcare?

Government involvement is not conservative.

Socialism is alive and well in the Republican Party. Obamcare and Ryancare are in no way conservative...that is why so many of us here tried so hard to fight it in 2009!!