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To: Jim Robinson; xzins

The most unconstitutional provision of Obamacare was the personal mandate. As bad as this bill was, it eliminated that mandate. Now that the bill is dead, the mandates are alive. Planned parenthood will continue to be funded. Obamacare is still the law of the land.

For those who are celebrating this “victory” please look up the term “pyrrhic victory”.


44 posted on 03/24/2017 1:41:59 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: P-Marlowe
The mandate is dead if it isn't enforced.

And the mandate can be dealt with in a separate bill.

56 posted on 03/24/2017 1:53:29 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: P-Marlowe

“The most unconstitutional provision of Obamacare was the personal mandate.”

Agree emphatically. But for tax year 2016 if you are uninsured:

http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2017/02/on_trumps_order_irs_stops_enfo.html

This isn’t over yet. Why settle for half a loaf, or Obamacare II? Repeal the whole magilla!


58 posted on 03/24/2017 1:54:13 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: P-Marlowe

For those who are celebrating this “victory” please look up the term “pyrrhic victory”.

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Oh please.

Is this non-vote against ObamaCare 2.0 the end of the debate?

Are you arguing that no on ever can propose a bill to remove the individual mandate from ObamaCare? Never ever?

This is what needs to be done. We all understand that every single aspect of the brown stain known as ObamaCare cannot be undone this week or next.

But take one bite at a time. Start with a bill to simply remove the individual mandate. If that fails, take on another aspect of ObamaCare like funding or coverage for Planned Parenthood. Get something repealed. Anything. Then get back to the mandates. Then a year or so from now - this steaming pant load will be gone. Or close to it. Piece by piece.

Today WAS a victory. We conservatives did not vote for a bill that would replace ObamaCare with ObamaCare.

Yes, the bill had some pluses. But the negatives were worse.

And worst of all? Asking a conservative to support an Unconstitutional bill.

No can do.


64 posted on 03/24/2017 2:01:36 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: P-Marlowe

Reduced the penalty to $0.00 but left the mandate in the law.
There was no repeal in this rearrangement bill.


97 posted on 03/24/2017 2:29:21 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: P-Marlowe
The most unconstitutional provision of Obamacare was the personal mandate. As bad as this bill was, it eliminated that mandate.

Not really.

Ryancare merely reduced the penalty for failure to obtain medical insurance to $0.00. The mandate remained, which means a future Congress could raise the amount of that penalty at any time.

112 posted on 03/24/2017 2:49:22 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson

My opinion all along has been to dance wwith the one who brung us. Trust Trump
Don’t count on those who”ve screwed us time and again since Reagan...the so-called conservative republicans.

But we would be wrong to forget that PP is directly responsible for 320,000 dead babies each year

We should be proud of the Freedom Caucus, however. They have finally stood up to a president.


125 posted on 03/24/2017 4:19:33 PM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Let’s see:

P.P. keeps getting funded to kill the most vulnerable unborn,
Medical devices keep getting taxed,
Premiums keep rising,
Deductibles keep rising,
Subsidies keep rising,
More insurance companies drop out limiting competition.

I don’t think we can stand many more Freedom Caucus wins!


127 posted on 03/24/2017 4:38:01 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: P-Marlowe
"Planned parenthood will continue to be funded."

There should be separate legislation for that.

They should be prosecuted, shut down and brought to justice.

They are organized crime, subject to RICO.

130 posted on 03/24/2017 8:38:09 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (I told you so)
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To: P-Marlowe
The President can take action on Planned Parenthood now, separate from Obamacare legislation.

From a Breitbart article during the primaries:

On Tuesday during a Newsmax TV interview on The Hard Line, Cruz repeated his pledge to immediately defund Planned Parenthood if he were elected president next year.

"I will instruct the United States Department of Justice to open an investigation into Planned Parenthood and to prosecute any and all criminal violations by that organization," he said.

Cruz urged all Americans to watch the Planned Parenthood videos produced by the Center for Medical Progress.

"In this latest video, they describe a little boy who after an abortion his heart was still beating and yet the technicians took scissors and cut the child’s face open to remove his brain, to sell it for profit," Cruz said. "That is inhuman."

He continued:

It is a federal crime. It is a felony to sell the body parts of unborn children. What a sad statement about our government today that nobody in the media, nobody in the political world, thinks there's any chance whatsoever — zero chance — that the Obama Justice Department would even investigate Planned Parenthood because they're a political ally of the president.

It doesn't matter that they're caught on tape admitting to multiple felonies. The administration of justice should be blind to party and ideology and should follow the laws and the Constitution.

Hopefully, Jeff Sessions is on this right now.
131 posted on 03/24/2017 9:00:53 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (I told you so)
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To: P-Marlowe
There will be five upcoming special elections to fill vacant House seats,

and I predict that the Republicans will lose every damn one of them.


http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/vacancies.aspx

132 posted on 03/25/2017 4:05:36 AM PDT by greedo
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