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Japan is Asia's naval powerhouse with two aircraft carrier-sized warships
Business Standard ^ | March 24, 2017 | Ajai Shukla

Posted on 03/23/2017 6:49:41 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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To: sukhoi-30mki
.... but I prefer the original Kaga, when it's burning!


21 posted on 03/23/2017 8:02:37 PM PDT by Enchante (Libtards are enemies of true civilization!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks for posting.


22 posted on 03/23/2017 8:05:10 PM PDT by PGalt (Freeman is dead. RIP Dave.)
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To: gaijin

I was on one top heavy ship (USS Valley Forge) for an overnight engineering test. I hated the roll of that thing at slower speeds. Those Japanese carriers look insanely top heavy.


23 posted on 03/23/2017 8:06:36 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Enchante

I think Midway was a battle where we beat a superior enemy by courage, determination and luck.

Japan’s early pilots and air crew were extremely well trained and also the cream of the crop. I remember Saburo Sakai said they were too hard. They washed out a lot of good pilots they could have used.


24 posted on 03/23/2017 8:13:03 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: doorgunner69
USS Valley Forge


25 posted on 03/23/2017 8:13:36 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

The smaller cruiser, of course. CG-50.


26 posted on 03/23/2017 8:24:13 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: yarddog

‘Luck’

Why not call it Providence ?


27 posted on 03/23/2017 8:44:56 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I sometimes wonder these days if our carriers are too big of a sitting duck. I have no inside information, so I don’t want to cast dispersion where none are warranted.

It is my take that moderate sized gunships with a multitude of guided missiles could possibly cause a massive amount of offensive damage, and with many of those instead of a few aircraft carriers, there might come a time when they would become more of a preference.

I toss this out there, to get some some feedback. I’m not against hearing this would not be as good a plan as I might think.

I just don’t like being in the position of having three or four of our aircraft carriers taken out, and being faced with a severely reduced fleet in short order.


28 posted on 03/23/2017 8:55:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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To: doorgunner69
"I was on one top heavy ship (USS Valley Forge) for an overnight engineering test. I hated the roll of that thing at slower speeds."

Yes, LPH 8, but a very big ship. We (2/1) were doing landings up and down the coast of VN, when we were sent steaming to Indonesia during the coup to overthrow Sukarto in Sept of 65. The coup failed and they turned us back around, but we got caught up in Super Typhoon Bess. Now that was a rough ride. Two destroyers were following behind us and as we sat on the wooden flight deck, we watched as they disappeared for what seemed forever and popped back up like corks.

29 posted on 03/23/2017 9:55:21 PM PDT by theirjustdue
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To: poconopundit

That’s Akagi. Island on the port side.


30 posted on 03/23/2017 9:57:09 PM PDT by Coronal
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To: gaijin; StoneWall Brigade
The vessels could not arry the F-35 Charlie. They have no cats and no place for them. They could however use the F-35B very effectively...and that scare the Chinese. Each of these vessels is about the size of a US Wasp Class LHD, used for Amphibious assault, and which normally carry 6 Harriers...soon to be F-35Bs. But they could also be used for escort carriers and take off all the air assault helos and carry 20 F-35Bs.

Here's F-35Bs operating off USS Navy Wasp class vessels":

The Japanese carriers could probably carry 12 F-35Bs if the had to.

But the Chinese are building full size carriers and their second one is about to be launched.

They carry full on, fixed wing aircraft, not VTOL aircraft.

Here's their first one doing exercises in the Pacific last fall.

They are building carriers right now faster than we are (of course we are simply maintaining our count, while they are trying to play catch up). But they will have two of these by next year, and then they will come out with a regular cat and trap carrier two years later and another one of the full carriers like that two years after that.

An F-35B would be more than a match for those J-15s...but range is an issue when you have to vertically land and take off...although the F-35B would run the deck to help in the take off.

But the F-35C has already been to sea three times, passing its quals better than expected on full size US carriers.

Make no mistake...the Chinese fear the F-35s. The US will field a 5th genertion, stealth arcraft off of the big carriers and the MArine Amphibious assault ships starting next year for the MArines...two to three years later for the Navy.

Japan could start buying the Bravo F-35 for its carriers any time and have them within a couple of years.

That has the chinese worried.

Because if Japan can do it, then the Koreans can have them on their Dokdo class vessels, and the Aussies can have them on their two new Canberra class vessels.

31 posted on 03/23/2017 10:17:44 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

You know if China and Japan are thinking of going to war they would need to get on with it soon.

In a decade or so Japan will have no one but geriatrics to man their armed forces and China will have nothing but pampered “little emperor” only sons whose parents and grandparents having invested their entire lifetimes in rearing and educating them will be in no mood to send them off to be slaughtered as cannon fodder in the name of the great proletariat revolution.


32 posted on 03/23/2017 10:27:48 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s the underwater stealth subs that help keep big targets safe.


33 posted on 03/23/2017 10:29:10 PM PDT by chief lee runamok
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To: rmlew
I heard from a Japanese friend that they have been upgrading the decks so they can handle the F35 or, according to him, a Japanese V/Stol aircraft in development just in case the F35 doesn't work out.

I never really checked around to see if any Japanese V/Stol has been tested or even proposed.

34 posted on 03/23/2017 10:36:09 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: DoughtyOne
That's a long running argument. I saw one documentary that said FDR preferred to make three Jeep carriers for each of the proposed fleet carriers but deferred to the Navy.

Ever since Midway people have questioned both single large carriers v. multiple small ones and putting multiple carriers together in a fleet as we did for the first Gulf War.

35 posted on 03/23/2017 10:40:59 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Jeff Head

The single operational problem on the Chinese carriers is the size of their aircraft versus their elevator capability. One plane at a time and it barely fits. It takes a long time for them to rotate their planes into and out of the hanger.


36 posted on 03/24/2017 1:16:04 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: theirjustdue

“...LPH 8, but a very big ship. We (2/1) were doing landings up and down the coast of VN, .... but we got caught up in Super Typhoon Bess. Now that was a rough ride.....”

We (1/9) made a landing off Iwo Jima (LPH-2) in January ‘67. Not sure if a tropical storm or typhoon but weather prevented us from launching choppers for several days. Sitting on the hanger deck, in alternating motion the ship would roll to one side showing blue sky while the opposing view was darker blue ocean. Add to that the pitch of the ship and you had what seasickness is made of. Pitch and yaw. I came close but no cigar. Otherwise a nice ride. Sailors treated us great. Iwo was hands above previous rides like the Henrico, an APA.


37 posted on 03/24/2017 1:41:57 AM PDT by Huaynero
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We (1/9) made a landing off Iwo Jima (LPH-2) in January 67.

We actually started out on the Iwo. It was only a year old and very cushy. Air conditioned bunks, mattresses on bunks, great chow, etc. Then they sent us to man the hills around Qui Nhon as the Army's 1st Cav came ashore. Then on to Subic, where we where transferred onto the Valley Forge. Old and dirty, with dirty stretched canvass for bunks. No air conditioning at all. Wouldn't have been so bad if we hadn't started out in such luxury.

38 posted on 03/24/2017 2:08:44 AM PDT by theirjustdue
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To: Jeff Head

Great post Jeff


39 posted on 03/24/2017 2:17:40 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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40 posted on 03/24/2017 3:59:19 AM PDT by Chode (My job is not to represent the world. My job is to represent the United States of America-#45 DJT)
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