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Discounting Away the Social Cost of Carbon: The Fast Lane to Undoing Obama’s Climate Regulations
warrsupwiththat? ^ | March 15, 2017 | David Middleton

Posted on 03/18/2017 7:38:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 03/18/2017 7:38:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SunkenCiv; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; TigersEye; Oynx; Marine_Uncle; BenLurkin; ...

fyi


2 posted on 03/18/2017 7:41:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The swamp is worse than most can imagine.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We are truly blessed. Best election ever!


3 posted on 03/18/2017 7:41:39 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Better call the wahmbulence for the gated community libs at the EPA...


4 posted on 03/18/2017 7:46:19 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Drain the swamp. Build the wall. Open the Pizzagate. I refuse to inhabit any safe space.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The AGW and carbon nonsense was never anything but a purpose built scam.

I’d like to see everyone involved, from marketing and advertising, through the sciences and into politics and educators, hauled up and charged for grand theft.


5 posted on 03/18/2017 7:47:01 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: CincyRichieRich
EPA budget is to be slashed by 31%.
6 posted on 03/18/2017 7:56:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The swamp is worse than most can imagine.)
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To: Grimmy
It would be a really big crowd!
7 posted on 03/18/2017 8:01:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The swamp is worse than most can imagine.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

God bless President Trump for keeping law and order and pushing back against the thieves, liars, and fascist criminals of the leftist socialist democrat party.


8 posted on 03/18/2017 8:08:21 PM PDT by kindred (Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour. Trump is helping make America great again.)
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To: Grimmy
A very expensive scam and a lie to boot, all mammals breath in oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide, all green trees and plants inhale carbon dioxide and exude oxygen, just as God made it so. And they charge for exhaling nowadays. So evil.
9 posted on 03/18/2017 8:12:05 PM PDT by kindred (Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour. Trump is helping make America great again.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Carbon. O e of the most common elements in the universe. And libs want us to do what with it to protect us from it?


10 posted on 03/18/2017 8:19:49 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Flinging poo is not a valid argument)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If we have to use complex arguments like this to oppose the Democrats’ agenda, however true the argument may be, we might as well quit and go home. The best argument is the simplest one — that man-made climate change has never been proved and that the burden of proof is on them.


11 posted on 03/18/2017 8:45:21 PM PDT by Socon-Econ
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If we have to use complex arguments like this to oppose the Democrats’ agenda, however true the argument may be, we might as well quit and go home. The best argument is the simplest one — that man-made climate change has never been proved and that the burden of proof is on them.

Actually, the best argument to oppose the climate change agenda is to quote the words of the UN's Chief Climate Official in 2015:

"This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history.

"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. That will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 - you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation."
--Christiane Fugueres, Executive Secretary of UNFCCC (United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change)

Why these words aren't shouted from the rooftops regularly to debunk the phony climate agenda is a complete mystery to me.

12 posted on 03/18/2017 9:01:40 PM PDT by Maceman (Let's ban Muslims temporarily -- just until non-Muslims can freely practice their religions in Mecca)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good news. Now we can stop holding our breath and breathe again, carbon dioxide be damned.

We escaped Hillary’s “carbon expelling breathing tax” on Nov. 8, 2016.

Now in her case, and that of Nancy Pelosi, we should put a tax on “cow farts”. That should cost them both a bundle.


13 posted on 03/18/2017 9:36:25 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The next ice age is coming. Whether there is a ‘little ice age’ with some cold years, followed by a little more warmth, eventually the Great Cold will return. The known Ice Age average is 100,000 years, but who is to say how long the next freeze will be. The Sun is the main driver in all this. A large ice sheet will spread down from Canada. Previously New York was under a mile of ice. Can you say brrrrrr. Sure, I knew you could.


14 posted on 03/18/2017 11:25:40 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try.)
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To: Socon-Econ

Asking liars and cheats for proof is a waste of time. Besides, El Nino is coming back right now and it will give them ammo this summer. They have no clue whatsoever as to what El Nino is, what it does and why we are destined to have quite a few the next few years. It is beyond their comprehension capabilities to grasp the mechanisms involved. In that scenario, you just have to ignore em, press forward and prepare for war.


15 posted on 03/18/2017 11:27:09 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

The problem is not the returning ice, the problem is the returning climate conditions that create the ice. We will get a stronger taste of it next winter. The PNW and California this winter were just nailed with snow. Good for drought though. Theoritically you can experience short atmospheric warm pulses as the oceans are cooling. And over all the planet could be cooling in that case since the oceans are much more dense than the atmosphere.


16 posted on 03/18/2017 11:36:23 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’ve created a Bookmarks folder called “Obama Legacy-Obliterated” for news articles just like this one.

It’s filling up fast!


17 posted on 03/19/2017 5:01:13 AM PDT by KyCats
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a giant nuclear furnace that controls the climates of all its planets.

3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


18 posted on 03/19/2017 5:51:37 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Socon-Econ
The best argument is the simplest one — that man-made climate change has never been proved and that the burden of proof is on them.
Scott Adams points out How Leonardo DiCaprio Can Persuade Me on Climate Change that the AGW issue has two parts:
  1. Is the phenomenon real? and

  2. Is the phenomenon serious?
He goes on to say that until the climate scientists are willing to settle on a single “good enough” model and to stand or fall on the accuracy of that model over the succeeding five years - rather than merely continually tweaking multiple models to fit retrospectively, attempted persuasion of the reality of AGW is futile because that looks exactly like they are promoting a hoax (Adams insists that he does not claim that it is a hoax - only that, from a persuasion POV, that is exactly what it looks like).

As to the question of whether the phenomenon - if real - is serious, that relates to the discount rate topic of this thread, and is an economics question. Adams - who says he has a degree and experience in economics - asserts that it is essentially impossible to convince him of the validity of an economics model, period. And that persuasion about the seriousness of AGW (even if real) is therefore next to impossible.

Again, it looks like the discount rate is a finagle factor of the sort that makes any claim of the seriousness of AGW so deeply suspect.


19 posted on 03/19/2017 2:50:54 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which ‘liberalism’ coheres is that NOTHING ACTUALLY MATTERS except PR.)
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