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With California's 'sanctuary cities,' Trump might be starting a fight he can't win
LA Times ^ | March 17, 2017 | Evan Halper and Melanie Mason

Posted on 03/17/2017 5:58:10 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

President Trump wasted no time inviting a showdown with California and other liberal states with his threat this week against so-called sanctuary cities, setting off a frenzy of resistance that will test the president’s power to carry out his vision to deport millions of people here illegally.

The executive order Trump issued Wednesday putting cities and counties on notice that they would lose federal funding if they didn’t start cooperating with immigration agents has broad implications for California, a state that aggressively protects its undocumented population from deportation.

But while the order allowed Trump to boast that he is fulfilling a campaign pledge, it also commits him to a fight that he is not necessarily poised to win.

The cities and counties Trump is targeting have many tools to strike back. Among the most potent are high court decisions that have interpreted financial threats like the one Trump is now making as an unlawful intrusion on state’s rights.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
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To: Mustangman
Back in the 70’s Carter told all the states that if they didn’t adopt a 55 mph speed limit

That issue alone was enough to give us Reagan. Cost to Trucking industry was tremendous because the truck drive train was not efficient at 55.

101 posted on 03/18/2017 9:25:11 AM PDT by itsahoot ( The return of the Super Secret, Super Genius Plan of GW fame #136)
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To: Navy Patriot
All President Trump has to do is cut all Fed funding to "Sanctuary Cities" including for law enforcement.

How about just enforcing current law?

Shamelessly Stolen from Freeper eyeamok.

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

“Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

• assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

• encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

•knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work. Employers may give preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or better qualified. It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days’ advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. Day laborers or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verfication of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the alien labor. The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer’s work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual’s accent or foreign appearance.

Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF CLAIMS THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of law. HARBORING MEANS ANY CONDUCT THAT TENDS TO SUBSTANTIALLY FACILITATE AN ALIEN TO REMAIN IN THE U.S. ILLEGALLY. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien’s illegal employment. Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien’s entry or residence is in violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that “encouraging” includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years’ imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years’ imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years’ imprisonment.

Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer’s consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.

RICO — Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, AND CAN INCLUDE NONPROFIT ASSOCIATIONS.

Tax Crimes

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by failing to pay income or Social Security taxes for illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions. U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In additon to the federal statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.

22 posted on 1/26/2017, 6:39:44 AM by eyeamok (destruction of government


102 posted on 03/18/2017 9:27:44 AM PDT by itsahoot ( The return of the Super Secret, Super Genius Plan of GW fame #136)
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To: monkeyshine
I am not a lawyer and I may be wrong about where the legal boundaries lie

If you can read simple English it is enough to figure out when this law is being broken.

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

“Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

• assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

• encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

•knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.


103 posted on 03/18/2017 9:57:59 AM PDT by itsahoot ( The return of the Super Secret, Super Genius Plan of GW fame #136)
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To: Alberta's Child
For one thing, the license you get as an illegal alien is not the same as the one you get as a U.S. citizen

How abut the ones they buy from compadres at the local DMV? One of the LA TV stations did an expose on that very thing many years ago. Showed exactly how easy it was, pay the outside man and he gave you a special ugly bracelet to wear and the stooge inside would falsify all the info and issue a real Driving license. Simple as that.

104 posted on 03/18/2017 10:04:54 AM PDT by itsahoot ( The return of the Super Secret, Super Genius Plan of GW fame #136)
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To: Mustangman
The technicalities of how the feds can use this leverage is for smart people such as yourself to figure out.

How about handling it the same way you do an armed robber?

105 posted on 03/18/2017 10:06:01 AM PDT by itsahoot ( The return of the Super Secret, Super Genius Plan of GW fame #136)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I am gonna say it....If i were Trump..

I would concentrate on states like Virginia Pennsylvania North Carolina. While chipping away on Southern California.

Sourthern Cal because it would put a barrier between the rest of the state.


106 posted on 03/18/2017 10:15:28 AM PDT by Leep (Cyclops Network News (CNN). The Most Trusted Source Of Fake News.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

They lie like Obama.

They want to repeat a false narrative mantra to hide the fact it’s about illegal invasion.

It works on other low-intelligence-level insurrectionists.


107 posted on 03/18/2017 2:30:06 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Hebrews 13:2 Do not forget to entertain strangers, for ... some have unwittingly entertained angels)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Trump might be starting a fight he can’t win
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I seem to have heard something like that around the time he was coming down the escalator to announce his attempt to run for the Presidency.


108 posted on 03/18/2017 4:23:13 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Homeland Security could invalidate the use of EVERY California drivers license for any federal purpose of identification. That would include entry to federal buildings, TSA screenings, banking and federally sponsored assistance programs.
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good idea


109 posted on 03/18/2017 4:24:55 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: itsahoot

Session needs to start arresting these judges and these sanctuary mayors ASAP NOW PRONTO


110 posted on 03/18/2017 5:42:17 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: itsahoot

AWESOME INFO!


111 posted on 03/18/2017 9:09:31 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: itsahoot

I was specifically referring to federal acts such as withholding money. We know the federal government can fine and arrest individuals but they are, to the best of my knowledge, unable (in a legal sense) to withhold money that has been budgeted or allocated for cities and states.

I searched the code you cited and what you wrote in the red type parentheses and could not find the words cities & states using find on page. I am not sure that the interpretation of ‘person’ would extend to municipalities or states.


112 posted on 03/20/2017 2:41:51 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
interpretation of ‘person’ would extend to municipalities or states.

Persons might include Governors and their staffs as well as any other government official.

You may have noticed that Trump was considered as a person with a personal objection to Muslims. in this last stay of his lawful EO.

113 posted on 03/20/2017 2:56:09 PM PDT by itsahoot (Must learn to resist the compunction to offer advice or help to complainers.)
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To: vette6387
But there’s no “tune to change” when it comes to water.
The present ongoing Spring 'melt' in the extremely snow packed Sierras Nevada mts may overtax/overrun the CA reservoirs. The CA reservoirs are already at or almost at full capacity. Specifically the Shasta/Oroville systems may present the most problematic "tune to change". Reports are that Moonbeam has presented his fourth request to Washington DC with an unusual personal appearance forthcoming. President Trump may indeed have some valuable 'trade-offs' to offer Moonbeam.

114 posted on 03/20/2017 3:11:58 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen (Progressive socialists are PISD: "Post-Inauguration Stress Disorder")
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To: Stand Watch Listen

“The present ongoing Spring ‘melt’ in the extremely snow packed Sierras Nevada mts may overtax/overrun the CA reservoirs.”

This is actually the long-standing problem with California’s water storage system. They count on “normal years” where the early rains are collected and redistributed to the undergunned terminal storage facilities. Then there’s “room” for the snow melt that comes in the Spring. Unfortunately the weather doesn’t cooperate most of the time,and as a consequence when early rains come as they have this past winter, there is no place to put the “bumper crop” of water and they forced to let it go into SF Bay. This year there is also a “bumper crop” of snow, so they will have to release it into the ocean as well. So there is really no way to “bank” water here. Plus the population has doubled since the last reservoir was built. But hey, we’re working on a high-speed train to nowhere so it all makes sense now doesn’t it?


115 posted on 03/20/2017 4:49:27 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: itsahoot

“Back in the 70’s Carter told all the states that if they didn’t adopt a 55 mph speed limit”

Actually, it was President Nixon who imposed the 55 mph speed limit.


116 posted on 03/20/2017 4:52:12 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387
Actually, it was President Nixon who imposed the 55 mph speed limit.

I am 78 and danged if I did not remember Nixon did the 55 because I guess Reagan hung it around Carters neck so well.

Poor old Jimmuh got the bad pubs and in my opinion that cost him the election.

Nixon was also conned into adopting price controls that led to a plethora of bad things.

Thanks for the heads up. We don't like to research things we already know and I knew for a fact that Carter did it.

"The greatest barrier to the truth is to believe we already have it." Chuck Missler

117 posted on 03/20/2017 6:43:05 PM PDT by itsahoot (Must learn to resist the compunction to offer advice or help to complainers.)
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