Posted on 03/16/2017 1:12:53 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The railroad union, obviously!
“Self driving car, please take me down to the river.”
“Car, please call a tow truck to pull us out of the river.”
Robot trucks are 200 years away, and no proof of feasibility. The junk gadgets installed in commercial trucks make them more dangerous. When they kill children, Govt hides it.
Decades after auto pilot airplanes, they still have human pilots.
Robot cars are junk science appealing to non techies.
Once you categorize and count the defects of just one automation driving gadget, reality hits.
Touch your inner engineer to count the 100 defects, many dangerous, of only a single electronic gadget,
just 1 gadget, 100 defects,
then you see self driving is 200 years away.
This is the obvious end game to come. The only thing that you can’t teach a driving computer to avoid is human randomness, so out it goes. Imagining my safe, boring ride up the interstate at exactly 70.00 MPH while I read and try not to get car sick......
If a car can't detect the presence of a tractor-trailer, then I'd say it's time to go back to the drawing boards and start all over again.
Actually there are kids today that are never going to drive and it’s got nothing to do with self driving cars. Not everybody drives, some folks live in cities where you just never need to. And we’re seeing a trend of that group increasing in recent generations, a growing number just aren’t interested in it. With public transit and ubers it’s simply becoming an optional skill for good chunks of the world.
The article doesn’t say that within 16 years nobody will be driving as all the cars will be self driving, that’s you moving the goal posts again.
You just did. The article says that SOMEDAY in the FORESEEABLE FUTURE and you turned that into current kids, 16 years. Then of course there’s you demanding the cars be autonomous, since the cars will be taking orders from owners (not really a market for cars that just do what they want) they’ll never technically be autonomous. That’s moved goal posts.
Plenty are using cameras, because they know LIDAR has great limitations.
I already gave you info on cars driving themselves today. Your demand for parking space to parking space is a moved goal post that is outside of what I said.
Tesla and Oryx are going no LIDAR, and most of the others are using cameras and probably will be phasing away from LIDAR because, as you yourself point out, it just isn’t the right solution.
"The article says that SOMEDAY in the FORESEEABLE FUTURE and you turned that into current kids, 16 years."
No. It does not. This is precisely what it says:
"New research suggests that children born today will never drive a car."
“My own prediction is that kids born today will never get to drive a car,”
Can you understand that? The article is absolutely stating that kids born today (who would normally drive 16 years from now) will not drive. Its very clear.
"Then of course there’s you demanding the cars be autonomous, since the cars will be taking orders from owners (not really a market for cars that just do what they want) they’ll never technically be autonomous. That’s moved goal posts."
Again, from the article:
"Autonomous, driverless cars are not 10, 15 years out. All the automotive companies—Daimler, GM, Ford—are saying that within five years they will have autonomous, driverless cars on the road."
As far as I'm concerned, a DRIVERLESS car is pretty darned autonomous. How on earth have I moved the goal posts, when this lunatic is stating that there will be DRIVERLESS cars in FIVE years. So no I am not 'demanding' they be autonomous - the snake oil salesmen pushing this are guaranteeing it.
"Plenty are using cameras, because they know LIDAR has great limitations."
'Plenty' is not very specific. You still haven't named one large player who isn't using LIDAR. I ask again, who isn't using LIDAR? You can't tell me.
Your demand for parking space to parking space is a moved goal post that is outside of what I said.
Can you not comprehend that this article is peddling the notion of DRIVERLESS cars?
"Tesla and Oryx are going no LIDAR"
Psst - not even Tesla claims their cars are self driving in any way. Their owner's manual implores the driver to stay vigilant with his hands on the wheel.
Oryx doesn't make cars.
I've noticed in your posting history, you like to argue with fellow Freepers...in an off putting manner. Normally no more than 3-4 posts between the arguments. In this case, its as if you didn't even read the article posted...as absolutely nothing you have typed has matched the content of the article in any way. I find that fascinating. The goal is not discussion of the article...the goal must be to be argumentative, for its own sake.
As I pointed out there are kids RIGHT NOW not bothering to learn to drive. It is becoming an unnecessary skill with or without self driving cars. And thanks to generations being raised on the internet cars are no longer the great symbol of adult freedom they once were. These kids are raised with the world at their fingertips, driving to the mall just doesn’t excite them.
They will have self driving cars on the road. That doesn’t mean it’s going to take over the entire industry overnight. It will phase through the way every other car feature has: first in the high end cars, then over the course of the next 5 to 10 years working down to the economy cars. Even then it will be another 20 years before the majority of the non-self driving cars are off the road.
Can you not comprehend that I was TALKING ABOUT THINGS BEING IN DEVELOPMENT. I’ve only said it half a dozen times now.
Tesla’s autopilot is a step along the way, they’re working on self driving, and it won’t be LIDAR. And Oryx on the system, if they get the system right they sell it to car makers. Get into the guts of your car, lots of that stuff was bought BY your car company.
You started this argument with me. You decided on the tone of the argument. If you don’t like it, don’t be such a condescending ass.
I think it’s hard to predict exactly what the future is going to look like in a general sense. I was a nerdy movie buff who hung out in video stores as a teen. We used to talk how about how cool it would be if there was a system to get any movie you wanted immediately. I think a friend and I had worked out a general idea that involved pay per view and 800-numbers. We did have a general idea that the number of tv channels would continue to expand. We had no earthly idea that the internet even existed. So, we kind of made due with the technological limitations we had. (Today of course, I can actually order and watch nearly any movie I want in the history of the world instantaneously on a tv that is darn near the size of movie screens in the 80s).
The point is, I think a lot of us are trapped in a vision of what a driverless future would look like based on today’s model. Why are we assuming that people would “own” these cars? Why are we assuming that we would still be driving on four line highways with dotted passing lines? Why are we assuming that the car’s computer would be in the car itself?
This stuff changes so dramatically so quickly. The world’s record for joke that went from hilarious to dated was the joke in Zoolander about how cell phones were getting smaller and smaller and smaller. 5 years later and the Iphone took the technology in the absolute opposite direction.
So, I think this will happen but it probably won’t be a Tesla self driving car costing as much as a house in 1991.
No, statements such as the one made below do not equal 'being in development'.
“this IS happening”
Again
"That doesn’t mean it’s going to take over the entire industry overnight"
does not compute with
"this IS happening”
But I will take your changing story as a tacit admission that this IS NOT happening at all, as I said.
As for the tone...I know you are incapable of dispassionately reviewing our exchange (or any of your dozen other 'fight threads'.)
You called me an ass. There's a saying about that - if you find them everywhere you go...well maybe you've misidentified him.
Yes actually it does. Remember the original poster compared them to flying cars, now how many miles did major companies put on their experimental flying cars? How many miles have major companies put on their experimental self driving cars? See, that’s something that IS happening. These cars ARE being worked on, by dozens of companies, with the goal of making a purchasable product. That is a revolution that IS happening.
I didn’t change the story. Now you’ve descended into being a full on LIAR.
You care an ass. Your first post to me on this thread was filled with condescension and was needlessly confrontational. Now you’re whining that I’m not nice to you. THAT is the behavior of an ass.
I can see this thread has been an emotional roller coaster for you.
For me it hasn’t.
You should work on that.
Hasn’t been emotional for me at all. As soon as you leaned in with your condescending BS I lost all respect for you and have treated you as you deserve. Nothing emotional there. In order to get emotional I’d have to care what you think, for that I’d have to respect you, your behavior is such that I cannot respect you, so no emotions. Funny how you were talking about projecting.
Counting to 10 can help.
Take your own advice. I notice you can’t be bothered to address what I said. Now you’re just scrambling for the last word. Another sure sign of being an ass. The facts are in, this WILL happen, this IS happening. Deny it all you want, doesn’t change reality. You’re in 2005 denying the smartphone revolution. Now since I’m feeling generous today I’ll give you the last word, go ahead, post whatever condescending drivel you wish, I won’t rebut, hell I won’t even read it.
See, that was cathartic.
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