Posted on 03/15/2017 7:21:55 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
Even before Donald Trump was inaugurated, U.S. citizens who own land along the border reportedly began receiving letters from the Justice Department informing them that the federal government wants their land to build a fence (i.e. the president’s border wall), that it intends to acquire their land, and the amount of compensation the government is offering.
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Excellent post... I am too tired to respond adequately...I will tomorrow, but it sounds like you have some real heroes in your family!
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Julie
I’ve saw a show on TV where a landowner took his ATV out and went looking for livestock or something and stumbled into a drug deal and got killed.
Lots of Texans are worried about this crap.
My opinion is that the nation already controls any border. It’s automatic.
You know I was telling a friend the other day, I can totally see how dictators form after taking over, as enemies inside the government are constantly trying to undermine an elected presidents efforts to reform their country. You almost have to clean house first.
When the official border is the center of a river where do you put the fence? From El Paso to the West coast you don’t have that problem in fact a fence and right of way is already in place. I have friends and family that own several miles of land on the river and they will not accept being fenced off from river access. The river is the only reason much of that land is worth ranching, without full access entire ranches will be useless. Build the wall from El Paso west and step up security on the Texas border. We have military bases in Texas and the border would be a great place to practice and train.
Interesting...
On a recent visit to South Korea, I visited the Joint Security Area in the DMZ. There, you can go inside a building that straddles the border and step into North Korea. Everyone on that tour (including me) got a picture of themselves standing next to the South Korean guard who was standing in front of the door that opens into North Korea. The border is a thin, thin line.
I’m assuming a government owns its own borders.
At the same time I believe there can be accomodations if creative people think about it.
Which side of the river would you suggest they build?
What do other countries with border rivers do?
There are currently many sections where a fence exists and a portion of an American’s property is on the other side of it. They have to get permission and arrange for a BP agent to open a gate while they come and go.
So it isn’t really a strange notion to do as you say and build the wall through whichever property north of them is willing to sell first. It won’t change where the actual border is, just make their lives difficult coming and going through the wall.
Eminent Domain.
But what if a citizen wants to build his own wall and pay for it himself?
Military link fencing right down the middle of the river wouldn’t interfere with water flow, but even that is not allowed according to treaty. Any wall or fencing has to be well back from the riverbank. That entire section where access to the river is desirable may end up being a series of motion sensors, electric eyes, cameras, and response teams with no physical barrier.
That would be awesome, to use the same “Antiquities Act” that Obama used in his last days to set aside huge stretches of ocean as off limits to oil & gas and even FISHING.
Declare a 1/4 mile wide 2000 mile long strip along the border to be a new National Monument. The “Trump Monument” — a 50’ tall concrete barrier 3’ thick.
How much land would the strip require? 500 yds from the border at most? With access road here and there? This is bupkis.
“That entire section where access to the river is desirable may end up being a series of motion sensors, electric eyes, cameras, and response teams with no physical barrier.”
Yes - that is used at other parts of the border with success. I’m guessing it would be pretty challenging to built anything of substance in many areas with shifting sand, swelling clay, unstable river bottoms. Of course adding 5000 more border agents will help for all of the high-tech barriers.
Interesting about the treaty not allowing a barrier in the river - is it considered “navigable” or perhaps for fisheries?
I was reading (not sure what year) where Mexico is supposed to allow enough flow for Texas irrigation, but in some years they weren’t letting enough through as per the treaty. I imagine if push-came-to-shove the Mexicans could try to use that as a threat against increased border security. I’m not sure it would help their cause any.
I read a survey once that said 70% of the people in Mexico would rather live in the United States. Had we just held onto it 175 years ago instead of giving back everything except Alta Mexico, they’d all be integrated by now and we’d have a much shorter southern border to worry about.
“What do other countries with border rivers do?”
I don’t give a damn what other countries do, I’m talking Texas and the hundreds of miles of privately owned land on the river. Truth be told I don’t believe there will ever be a fence along the southern border of Texas. The landowners will never give up the river on the north side and Mexico damn sure won’t give up the river on the south side. Increse protection along the river and build the wall from El Paso to the West Coast where the right a way and fence is already is in place. Now back to your question I don’t believe they wall off their river access giving it to the country across the border.
You are correct. There will be no Texas wall unless Mexico is invaded to put it on the south side.
A wall on the north side cedes the river to Mexico.
A Texas wall is just stupidity. Than means the stupidity is Trump’s
Yup,the Haskell Library...deliberately built on the border to signify international friendship.There's a black line on the floor that is the actual border.Outside the library there's a very small concrete "monument" which represents the border.Also there are flower pots on the street next to it which also represent the border.
Another interesting thing nearby...there's a street called Canusa Street ("Canusa" = Can=>Canada,usa=>USA) which is mainly in Canada but a short part of it (about 1/4 mile) is actually the border.I've driven it...on that portion the cars parked in the driveways on one side have Quebec plates,on the other side they have Vermont plates.
Yes,but the border between South and North Korea is unlike any other border you'll find today.It's at least somewhat like the East Germany/West Germany border...which I visited in the 80's.Happily for us the US/Canadian border is nothing like that,although it might not be a bad thing for the US/Mexico border to be of a similar nature.
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