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Conservatives Not Falling for AHCA 'Charm Offensive'
Newsmax ^ | 03/12/2017 | Eric Mack

Posted on 03/12/2017 5:24:03 PM PDT by ForYourChildren

President Donald Trump has more than the Democratic opposition to worry about with his proposed American Health Care Act. Conservatives are pushing hard against it, too, despite AHCA proponents' attempts to persuade members of the House Freedom Caucus with an ad campaign and some schmoozing in Washington.

"Right now, I think there is a charm offensive going on," Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., told CBS host John Dickerson on Sunday's "Face the Nation." "Everybody is being nice to everybody, because they want us to vote for this, but we are not going to vote for it."

Conservatives will fight President Trump's GOP healthcare agenda along with Democrats on the belief the proposed AHCA is merely Obamacare in another form.

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To: Helicondelta

The beauty dips that I didn’t realize beck was still on the air!


22 posted on 03/12/2017 6:15:34 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: ForYourChildren

It’s all that Federal structure and agencies that the eunuchs of the Uniparty are protecting with Ryancare.
That is what gives Fedzilla power, control over all healthcare in America and access to all records.
Whatever gives Fedzilla power is what the attendants of Fedzilla in Congress will do.


23 posted on 03/12/2017 6:20:22 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: ForYourChildren

Rino care goes absolutely nowhere. You said REPEAL socialized medicine NOT replace with other socialism. Free market — buy your own damned insurance— We didn’t not take you to raise!!


24 posted on 03/12/2017 6:25:15 PM PDT by WENDLE (We said REPEAL the socialism NOT replace with other socialism.!! RONOCARE GOES NOWHERE)
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To: ForYourChildren

500 BILLION dollar increase in the HHS budget since 2012.

25 posted on 03/12/2017 6:25:42 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA-SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS-CLOSE ALL MOSQUES)
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To: WENDLE

Rino care goes NO WHERE!! FREE MARKETS not communism!! Buy you own insurance or gon to the ER and wait with the illegals!!


26 posted on 03/12/2017 6:28:27 PM PDT by WENDLE (We said REPEAL the socialism NOT replace with other socialism.!! RINOCARE GOES NOWHERE)
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To: ForYourChildren

Ryan has thrown us all under the bus.

He has just hung Obamacare around the necks of all conservatives.

If we kill this bil and when Obamacare fails we conservatives did not do enough.
If Ryancare passes,and insurance companies continue their fleecing of the middle class, it will be conservatives fault because they didn't stop it.


27 posted on 03/12/2017 6:33:00 PM PDT by John 3_19-21 (Daily I ask; are we too far gone?)
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To: John 3_19-21
No we reject it and push for repeal. We do not have to buy the plane moments before impact.
28 posted on 03/12/2017 6:41:03 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: ForYourChildren

Simply repeal Obamacare! How hard is that! Return healthcare to the free market as it should be. Return Medicare to those who worked and sacrificed to earn it.

It’s that simple.


29 posted on 03/12/2017 6:54:33 PM PDT by Musketeer
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To: catnipman
It’s anguishing for me to think of RyanCare as the fulfillment of the MANY promises President Trump made to us to replace and repeal Obamacare. RyanCare does not fulfill that promise. Not even close. In fact, it’s a GIANT step backwards. RyanCare is WAY worse than Obamacare as it currently stands. WAY worse!

I poured my heart and soul and (MUCH money) into supporting President Trump’s nomination and subsequent election based on his many promises (especially his promise to repeal and replace Obamacare) and my strong belief that President Trump was different than every other elected official in my lifetime because I actually expected him to keep his campaign promises.

My only hope is that RyanCare is some kind of ruse for unknown political purposes, such as sinking Ryan’s ship or for buying time or something. I’ll be surprised if RyanCare passes the House and stunned if it passes the Senate and done if President Trump signs it.

If President Trump does in fact try to tout Ryancare as the fulfillment of his campaign promise to repeal and replace Obamacare, then President Trump will lose the support of we who are is supporters and is finished as a President; the GOP would be finished as well. And so would our country.

I can forgive President Trump many things, including being unable to fulfill ALL of his promises, and especially those attempted fulfillments thwarted by opposition that cannot be overcome.

However, I will NOT forgive him if he accepts RyanCare as the fulfillment of his campaign promise to repeal and replace Obamacare. I’d actually rather President Trump do nothing at this point and wait until the GOP has a filibuster-proof Senate in 2018 and then do it right, rather than accept counterproductive measures like RyanCare.

I am with you 100% on this, all of it.

I keep holding out hope that he is somehow just stringing that POS ryan along somehow... and will lower the boom on ryan and his POS plan at some point soon.

If he doesn't, and ends up pushing this through and signing it, I will wonder: is he so stupid to think that we would buy this crap as a fulfillment of a promise? or does he think that we are that stupid?

30 posted on 03/12/2017 6:56:55 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: NobleFree; 2ndDivisionVet; DoughtyOne; bushwon; Jim Robinson; laplata; fieldmarshaldj

Would have been nice if Trump said get back to work.

Perhaps he knows this will never pass the senate

PERHAPS that is why Ted Cruz met with family twice last week.

I added others in case I’ve gone off the deep end and need to be told I require meds :)


31 posted on 03/12/2017 6:58:17 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Hiro Protaginast

Riiiight. Ryan is going to force little helpless Trump to sign this pos bill.


If only “principled conservatives” had fought “pos” Democrats on the ballot in 2016 instead of being AWOL for months we might have a few more GOP Senators and have no need “pos” bill.


32 posted on 03/12/2017 7:03:49 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Helicondelta

BS. This plan repeals the mandate and the taxes. If you don’t like it, opt out and pay for your own healthcare.


Sorry, it doesn’t do that. It just reduces them to zero and sends Trumpcare uninsured fine checks directly to the insurance companies via the 30% increase in premiums.

If this bill was so great there will be no need for this Gang of 8 style dissembling. This is a grab bag of goodies for the insurance industry and a CYA bill for POTUS/GOP Congress. Nothing more.


33 posted on 03/12/2017 7:06:33 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: House Atreides

Here’s the problem ..the House Freedom Caucus supported Ryan being the speaker , and now they are screaming about Ryan ... I can’t stand Ryan , but if the Freedom Caucus can’t stand up to Ryan , they won’t be able to stop this ...


34 posted on 03/12/2017 7:07:26 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Stop the Neo-Cons and Warmongers - No war with Russia- Support Trump in this endeavor)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

It’s all that Federal structure and agencies that the eunuchs of the Uniparty are protecting with Ryancare.
That is what gives Fedzilla power, control over all healthcare in America and access to all records.
Whatever gives Fedzilla power is what the attendants of Fedzilla in Congress will do.


Exactly. I once sat in front of some NY State pols on a flight to Albany. They talked literally about “pots of money”. That’s really what this is all about. The beltway GOP want to manage the Obamacare “pots of money” and skim some for themselves.


35 posted on 03/12/2017 7:08:05 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Helicondelta

You are exactly right ..the Levin/Beck crowd are trying to sabotage Trump at every turn ...


36 posted on 03/12/2017 7:09:10 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Stop the Neo-Cons and Warmongers - No war with Russia- Support Trump in this endeavor)
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To: zzeeman

I keep holding out hope that he is somehow just stringing that POS ryan along somehow... and will lower the boom on ryan and his POS plan at some point soon.


Appears that Ryan and McConnell are holding the entire Trump agenda hostage to service their insurance industry donors. They are blackmailing Trump while having yet lifted a finger to advance his agenda. My bet is they never will. It will be one excuse after another why things can’t be done and Trump will not be in a position to engage in nuclear war with them due to the Dem-Media complex attacks.


37 posted on 03/12/2017 7:13:43 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: zzeeman; catnipman
It's entirely premature to be making all sorts of apocalyptic presumptions regarding RINO-care.

One way or another, you should expect the legislation to be modified significantly before it arrives on the President's desk.

Senators Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Mike Lee have all indicated it's not acceptable as currently constructed, and they alone are enough to block it in the Senate.

Furthermore, I'm sure that the President's chief advisor Steve Bannon is also going to be a strong conservative influence during this process.

Some here are falling into the trap of taking President Trump too literally with respect to his praise or "support" of the bill. Such positive statements are all part of his "art of the deal", something at which he has extensive experience and skill.

The President has repeatedly shown that he's always several steps ahead of where observers such as us think he is. We're just going to have to take a deep breath and watch what happens as this process works its way through the legislature.

If things get to an advanced stage, and nothing gets fixed, then his supporters can start panicking.

There can be no doubt that the President and the Congress are well aware of the political risks being taken. In my opinion, the risk of passing a bad piece of legislation is much higher than the risk of passing nothing at all. Who knows? It might be necessary to wait until after the 2018 midterms in order to get this done right.

I'm certain that President Trump is unwilling to alienate his base, and that's exactly what will happen if this bill is passed as currently written. Therefore I'm convinced that there's no cause for alarm as yet.

One thing for sure: there is too much jumping the gun going on. Let's evaluate the flaws in the legislation, make the President aware of our objections and criticism, and trust him to do what he promised. He has given us no cause to doubt him thus far, and he deserves our good faith until such time as he demonstrates otherwise.

All things considered, everyone needs to keep their powder dry and allow this process to play out...

38 posted on 03/12/2017 7:22:42 PM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: dp0622

LOL

I would have preferred Trump not get entangled with this.

Makes me wonder if that wasn’t the pressing issue for Ryan in the first place.

So many snakes back there...


39 posted on 03/12/2017 7:36:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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To: tennmountainman

Wow...I checked out your recent comments. Are you having fun in your current jihad against conservatives in Congress?


40 posted on 03/12/2017 7:38:18 PM PDT by House Atreides (Send BOTH Hillary & Bill to prison.)
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