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The New Yorker’s Big Cover Story Reveals Five Uncomfortable Truths About U.S. and Russia
Intercept, the ^ | 28 February 2017

Posted on 03/02/2017 7:42:50 AM PST by Lorianne

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To: McGavin999
Are we at war with Russia? I thought the Cold War was over, I seem to remember Obama telling a Russian emissary that he would have more flexibility after the elections. Was a war declared?

It started after the Russian people and its leaders threw off the globalist kleptocrats raping their country. It got worse when Russia re-embraced Christianity. It got fever pit when Russia stepped in to thwart the NeoCons from destroying another Middle East country through jihadism and Islamism.

http://nypost.com/2001/02/15/how-marc-helped-plunder-russia/

21 posted on 03/02/2017 8:08:16 AM PST by AC Beach Patrol
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To: Lorianne

The left is still in deep pain over the demise of the Soviet Union.


22 posted on 03/02/2017 8:08:20 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Why is it no one ever discusses the rabid Amerophobia which infects Islam and its adherents?)
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To: silverleaf
Sure we know the motivation - greed, TREASON, power - all hallmarks of the 0bama regime and the clinton crime foundation, but I've never heard any explanation from 0bama or Madam Benghazi as to WHY she sold a strategic material to our enemy, and I want to hear her response under oath.
23 posted on 03/02/2017 8:09:43 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (0bama made Bush look great; Trump is showing him to be the loser he is.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0


24 posted on 03/02/2017 8:14:52 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Lorianne

This is odd territory for us...
We seen to be in a broken left right paradigm

glenn greenwald is a man of the left yet it seem he see this as not a left right issue

His take is interesting.


25 posted on 03/02/2017 8:31:00 AM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
The American Left consistently made contrived excuses to cozy up to Russia from the Bolshevik takeover in the last days of World War I, until the fall of Communism in the early 90s.

In my opinion, as a livelong Conservative & anti-Marxist, the present hysteria in the anti-Trump camp, is a completely contrived tactic, totally consistent with all of the other excesses of the Clinton/Obama war on the American tradition:

The Left's present tantrum over any possibility of Trump improving relations with Putin's Government has little to do with the issues they publicly hide behind. It has everything to do with Putin's turning Russia back to patriotism & her people's ancestral Faith. That is, for all its other virtues or vices, because it has become a serious force resisting the schemes to destroy the very concept of the Nation state, as well as adherence to a theologically based moral code, in order to impose a new humanist collective monolithic world order over all of us.

You will see--if you look--a consistent pursuit of international dependence among those whom Donald Trump defeated in November. It is the one consistent thread that runs through the various varieties of the "Never Trump" loonies.

26 posted on 03/02/2017 8:34:22 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Lorianne
Hillary Clinton MADE POSSIBLE THE SALE OF URANIUM: (Report: Clintons enabled Russians to gain large share of America’s uranium) and here: "Newly uncovered State Department documents shed additional light on this scandal. But before getting to the new material, (Powerline) I’ll summarize what the (New York Times) reported...Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal.

The Clinton's managed another monetary coup with (Frank Giustra) donating about $145 Million with a pledge of more to the Clinton Foundation.

Trump wasn't wrong about the Clinton implication with the sale of uranium to Russia interests, he was as close to the truth as one can get when dealing with the Clinton's.

This Justice Dept. should continue the investigation of Hillary Clinton's criminal behavior regardless of Pelosi's rant of "investigate...demanding recusing...demanding immediate firing...of any and all Trump people

27 posted on 03/02/2017 8:48:36 AM PST by yoe
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To: Lorianne

Yeah let’s all eat the slop from the New Yorker pushing the red scare from the left, of all places. Unlike the Cold War, Moscow does not command a world empire. Though a nuclear superpower still, she is a nation whose GDP is that of Spain and whose population of fewer than 150 million is shrinking. And Russia threatens no U.S. vital interest.

Where America is besieged by millions of illegal immigrants crossing from Mexico, Russia faces to her south 1.3 billion Chinese looking hungrily at resource-rich Siberia and Russia’s Far East.

The China that is pushing America and its allies out of the East and South China Seas is also building a new Silk Road through former Russian and Soviet provinces in Central Asia. With an estimated 16 million Muslims, Russia is threatened by the same terrorists, and is far closer to the Middle East, the source of Sunni terror.Is Putin’s Russia an enemy, as a lying pack of demrats, the old media, and McCain suggest?


28 posted on 03/02/2017 8:53:41 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Cementjungle

Fake news sources?


29 posted on 03/02/2017 9:26:29 AM PST by Theophilous Meatyard III
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To: Lorianne

bump


30 posted on 03/02/2017 9:52:25 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: Lorianne
So we need to be taking lessons from that America hating Commie Chomsky??

No thanks.

The real danger is that the Kenyan has left the US and its armed forces in the worst strategic position we have been in since 1941.

31 posted on 03/02/2017 9:57:42 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Cementjungle

It used to be called “red baiting.”


32 posted on 03/02/2017 7:20:52 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Lorianne
Can't believe I read the whole thing — both things — the turgid, propaganda-laden New Yorker piece and this skillfull rebuttal. Greenwald's most important point is that the Democrats are playing a dangerous game and run the risk of taunting Putin into another Cold War.

"Sad."

33 posted on 03/04/2017 8:37:38 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Yes, the russians are the boogeyman and have been for at least 100 years

The left will do anything to keep other large groups of white Christians from allying with the U.S.

34 posted on 03/04/2017 8:39:24 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: tophat9000
glenn greenwald is a man of the left yet it seem he see this as not a left right issue His take is interesting.

He was also closely connected with Snowden, who is now a tool of Russia.

35 posted on 03/04/2017 8:43:20 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde
So let be clear.. are your signing on the Trump/Russia theme?

That there is not forces inside government trying to drive Trump from office ...

Greenwall/Snowden is Russian driven dissesformation to aid Trump?

36 posted on 03/04/2017 9:36:59 AM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: tophat9000

I’m not signing on to anything but a world of negotiated peace, and I have confidence in the master negotiator we have elected. That by no means is an endorsement of everything either national leader does or says.

You note that the U.S. also has negotiated alliances with nations like Pakistan (also a nuclear nation) and Saudi Arabia, without the Democrat machine trying to demonize the GOP leader by slinging those names around. I agree with Trump’s view that this selective outrage about Russia was due to the Democrats’ having lost the election, in spite of the millions of questionable donations the Clintons received from totalitarian nations in the Middle East. That the Russians hacked the DNC but that the RNC outsmarted the Russians and foiled any hacking has infuriated the DNC. Let’s not forget the long personal animosity between Putin and Obama (carelessly intensified by Obama’s insolence towards Putin), of which this manufactured witch hunt is part and parcel.

And I might also add that Greenwald’s piece of reportage was greatly more matter-of-fact and well-written than the New Yorker’s assertational screed.


37 posted on 03/04/2017 10:14:12 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde

I think you might be replying to someone else as I really didn’t get into Pakistan or anything along that line

However in reading your reply I think you may agree with what I’m beginning to see.. that there are multiple agendas going on in multiple directions.

That Dovetailes into the Greenwall article talking about different camps inside the Dem wanting to go in different directions

Obama in my opinion had an Islamic agenda. Hillary and many GOPe have globalist agenda. And those two camp are in an alliance convenience with each other. Really it two factions in the left. The old left that is a White European globalist And a third world minority Islamic left. Thinks stalinist left versus maoist left

As for Russia..it has a Russian nationalist agenda. So it’s not globalist nor Islamic but they do align with a Iran which is disturbing but again that Russia Iran thing maybe an alliance of convenience

So with Trump if you listen to the speech the other day been paying attention this seems to be a new alliance coming out anti globalist Pro the old traditional nation-state

Trump, the brexit vote, LePen rising in France we’re seeing an alliance the old judeo-christian nation-state .. what we used to call the West

I think Russia as it currently exists would find that it’s closest natural Ally

As for Greenwall being aligned with Snowden you say is in the Russian camp. I’m open to that idea I would throw Wiki leaks in that you could be Wikileaks is always been really a vehicle of the Russians

Multiple agendas running everywhere positively Byzantine


38 posted on 03/04/2017 10:49:44 AM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: tophat9000
Multiple agendas running everywhere positively Byzantine

We certainly agree!

39 posted on 03/04/2017 4:55:19 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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