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Are Liberals Helping Trump?
The New York Times ^ | Feb. 18, 2017 | Sabrina Tavernise

Posted on 02/19/2017 3:27:43 AM PST by Trump20162020

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To: BobL

I am not the least concerned that President Trump will be removed from office. That is the narrative of the organized crime gang on the left and their media mouthpiece. It ain’t gonna happen.


81 posted on 02/19/2017 4:22:20 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: BobL

Actually Nixon was a far better president than Idi Obama and Clinton. He got us out of Vietnam. His worst sin was not vetoing the revenue sharing scheme foisted on the country by the rat party congress.


82 posted on 02/19/2017 4:25:45 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Agreed. Ingratitude and envy all the hallmarks of the sniveling left.


83 posted on 02/19/2017 4:27:31 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Rockingham

Pretty good assessment. Nixon was basically a good man and had no knowledge of watergate. His downfall was really a minor event in that he tried to cover it up after he found out about it.


84 posted on 02/19/2017 4:31:45 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Correct, and the ONLY HOPE for the left in getting Trump out is to first sever our support of him - since if Trump is kicked out of the Republican Party with us (as in 50 Million or so of us) still supporting him, the Republicans are simply FINISHED as a major political party.

Hence you see the FUTILE attempts to drive a wedge between us and Trump - such as saying that Trump will blow the deficit sky-high with The Wall (not true, and even if true, doesn’t matter), or that Trump won’t deliver on Obamacare repeal (when we know it’s Congress that won’t step up).

In reality their only hope at severing our bond is if Trump steps in it himself - like signing on to a Gang-of-Eight...but as long as Bannon is there, that won’t happen either.


85 posted on 02/19/2017 4:34:10 PM PST by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: Trump20162020

Yeah, but they don’t realize it so Shhhhh!


86 posted on 02/19/2017 4:38:49 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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To: RitaOK

McCain I agree. The others not so much since they all voted to confirm his cabinet while every member of the rat party has opposed them. The bitches from Maine and Washington state are his enemies as is McCain. Frankly, I think McCain has some serious mental issues. The bigger enemies reside in the demrat party, sorry, they backed the Muslim faggot and Hillary on every last issue. The DNC is about to install Ellison, another Muslim Marxist as head of their party. You should think about that and the Muslim takeover of said.


87 posted on 02/19/2017 4:39:05 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: BobL

You hit on it there with your review of Nixons mistakes.

Trump needs us as much as we need him, and as long as he keeps feeding us by repeating the promises he made to us, and more importantly bringing them to fruition, our support will never waver.

Our support will only grow stronger and more people will join in.


88 posted on 02/19/2017 5:20:25 PM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Thanks - and Bush Sr. did pretty much the same. He ran as Reagan, but then governed like Jeb would have (tons of examples, but I don’t want to break JR’s server).

And then in 1992, when Bush came back to us and needed our support, to beat EVEN CLINTON (who was a horrible candidate at that time)...we simply couldn’t get very fired up.


89 posted on 02/19/2017 5:33:42 PM PST by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: Neoliberalnot
Unfortunately for Nixon, the Watergate break-in led to the exposure of other scandals and controversies that were harder to explain away or excuse than a bungled political spying operation that got out of control due to over-zealous underlings.

The 1971 commutation of Jimmy Hoffa's sentence and release from prison, for example, seems beyond question to have been in exchange for a series of large cash payments from the Teamsters to the Nixon campaign and political operations, with the Teamsters also endorsing Nixon for reelection. At the time, Frank Fitzsimmons and his mob allies were in control of the union and enemies to Hoffa. Notably, Hoffa's pardon and release from prison included a requirement that he refrain from any union activity.

There is reason to think that Teamster cash was used to finance the Watergate burglars and that some of it may have made its way to Nixon's immediate personal control and use. Providing a direct quid pro quo of government favors in return for cash is the essence of bribery, with the case stronger if the cash goes to personal use. I think that Nixon especially feared such inquiries and criminal charges based on them and covertly bargained for a pardon in return for his resignation.

Above all, Nixon knew that even if he might defeat impeachment by showing that other Presidents had done as much as he did and far worse, such an argument would have been unlikely to defeat criminal charges arising out of the Hoffa commutation and other misdeeds. And, even if it did, he would have been financially and personally ruined.

Nixon was in fact a better person and President than Kennedy and LBJ were, and they were guilty of far worse crimes than Nixon was. In an odd way though, by getting caught, Nixon may have done more for the cause of reform than he would have attempted had he remained as President.

90 posted on 02/20/2017 1:52:22 AM PST by Rockingham
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