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Posted on 02/10/2017 10:58:19 AM PST by COUNTrecount
White House hints at NEW travel ban order to dodge court battle - as Trump blasts 'disgraceful' ruling upholding freeze on his current one
A federal appeals court in San Francisco released its ruling tonight on President Donald Trump's controversial travel ban - saying it would not reinstate it
Trump responded by taking to Twitter and writing in all caps: 'SEE YOU IN COURT, THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!'
He also called the ruling 'disgraceful'
The president also told reporters in the West Wing Thursday night that the ruling was a 'political decision' Now the White House is also saying that rewriting the order isn't 'off the table'
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decided it would not block a lower-court ruling that suspended the ban Last week, a Seattle-based judge issued a temporary restraining order halting the ban after Washington state and Minnesota sued the U.S. government
Hillary Clinton chimed in with a tweet trolling the president, simply writing '3-0'
The White House is floating a new way to counter a stunning appeals court ruling that set back President Trump's immigration order – redrafting the order in a way that could take effect immediately and be more resistant to legal challenge.
President Trump signaled an unmistakable instinct to fight for his original order Thursday night when bluntly told opponents: 'See you in court!' after criticizing judges who stood in his path.
But now, the White House is also laying out an alternative path. Asked if the president was considering signing a new executive order on immigration, a White House official told CNN, '"Nothing's off the table."
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A good move. Change the game when the Court’s won’t follow the rules!
exactly right approach (if DJT is not going to just tell the court it has no jurisdiction and implement his first order, which he certainly could do on the law)
result: any challenge to a new order has to start from square 1... and a new order can include the much wider and stricter restrictions we so desperately need on entry from many more Moslem terrorista camps or “countries” which train terrorist “refugees” to invade Europe UK Canada and USA)
first rule should be never to talk to CNN, then write another EO stating it does not discriminate muslims. Anyone on planes coming in will have extreme vetting and turned back if need be.
Why doesn’t the admin simply ramp up vetting procedures to a level they are satisfied with and simply say no to anyone applying for entry who fails to pass muster?
“A good move. Change the game when the Court’s won’t follow the rules!”
Same game. The only thing the court had a problem with was the original order unmodified.
The WH counsel made a new interpretation that was put into force BUT the court did not accept that the WH counsel spoke for the president.
Basically, they told them to go back and rewrite the EO to be consistent with the counsel legal interpretation.
Though I’d rather see this done correctly via the courts, Trump absolutely cannot afford to lose - or even tie - at SCOTUS. That would effectively cede immigration enforcement authority to the courts.
So I’m good with running the end-around play.
Maybe ask a state in a better jurisdiction to petition the Court for a ruling on the legality of the revised version so there’s a precedent before the 9th gets it again.
“result: any challenge to a new order has to start from square 1... and a new order can include the much wider and stricter restrictions “
It will have to be narrower so as to exclude permanent residents green card holds and a few other visa holders.
Just write a ‘memo’ saying that more thorough vetting will take place everywhere
You don’t need an executive order to do your job, and telling then ALL to do it more thoroughly is within your power.
Oh, and sign the new EO at midnight tonight... after the courts are all closed for the weekend.
“So I’m good with running the end-around play.”
Not an end-around. The courts basically told Trump how to reword the EO.
The ‘reworded’ EO would basically be what was being enforced per the WH counsel interpretation.
Trump does not want to REWRITE IT. He wants to Withdraw it entirely. Then he can write a new Exec Order temporarily banning ALL immigration until Vetting is in place.
That doesn't discriminate and he could put in the handful of exclusion for worker VISAs and permanent residents. He can't rewrite because the Court may conclude that the judicial decision remains because Trump might simply keep amending the order.
If he retracts the order entirely, and does not indicate a relationship to a second order, the District court is powerless to act and would have to dismiss. A complete halt to all immigration is an entirely different measure and it would not be subject to an attack of discrimination.
break up the 9th circus too.
Just make the vetting levels so high in the regulations that, without certain specific documents that you know aren't going to be found in those countries that we want to restrict, visas won't be considered. And then, if they can reach that plateau of documentation, require specific investigation by agents within the department; and make those investigators liable .. both, professionally, from disciplinary action within the agency AND, personally, by lawsuits from affected individuals .. should anyone so screened turn out to have been falsely given a visa through the use of fake documents.
Make getting visas from non-first and -second world countries so grindingly difficult that they just won't be issued in the first place.
Have a new order introduced every 2 days for 180 days, he gets his delay to revamp vetting and the courts will never come to a decision before the next order is introduced.
“Have a new order introduced every 2 days for 180 days, he gets his delay to revamp vetting and the courts will never come to a decision before the next order is introduced.”
NOPE. A properly worded EO will not be successfully challenged.
ok, although there are still some limits on permanent residents leaving and then reentering, as for any extended periods of absence...
Order number 2 can be widened as to number of countries and duration of restriction on entry, just two big improvements for starters
If a new order were written to halt all immigration, it would be interesting to see if the 9th Circuit crosses that line they dances around on the first ruling. That line would be grounds for impeaxhment.
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