Posted on 02/09/2017 4:01:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Vanity Discussion Question: Can the president ignore the court order and continue with his valid executive order?
It appears the president is acting in accordance to his constitutional powers and specifically in accordance to laws regarding immigration and has been challenged and overridden by an unconstitutionally political activist (liberal) court.
If so, can he can he continue with his valid orders controlling the actions of the executive branch? No doubt this would set up a "constitutional crisis" but this is going to happen soon anyway as it's the only way we will ever restore constitutional government, ie, the liberal activist courts will have to be toppled eventually. Why not now while we have a strong president and Republican majorities in both housees of congress?
Just askin'.
He could but the price would be high and the bureaucracy would probably follow the court order anyway. Better to just reap the political benefits of being seen as a fighter for us, and if something does happen because of the court’s decision, the rage of the people against the liberals might never end.
We’re already in a Constitutional crisis created by the black robe mafia.
J.R.,
The smart move now is to let this thing go back to the District Court for trial, let it take a few months.
In that time, get Mr. Gorsuch on SCOTUS.
Then let this matter, and so many others that will come down, go to a SCOTUS that will hold at least 5-4 for the Prez on most cases.
Let this battle be postponed for a few months, so we can win the war.
I don’t think the democrats will allow Gorsuch vote before the case goes to SCOTUS.
No, what's next is the Feds file suit to force a state to follow immigration law, and the courts rule that it's not the Federal government's prerogative. Obama? Never heard of him.
Without the president’s enforcement of the Supreme Court’s ruling, the opinion would be meaningless.
Today, of course, Trump would be vilified by the media and GOPe. But I'd wish he'd tell the 9th Circuit to pound sand anyway.
If the court is not Constitutional in banning the order, the court’s ban is invalidated by Trump’s VERY Constitutional stand.
Don’t sell him short. This isn’t over by a long shot. Keep in mind, if we turn on him, what is the alternative at this very critical time.
The Constitutional crisis is the courts attempting to codify a “right to emigrate” to this country no matter what.
I see no downside to appealing this to SCOTUS ASAP. At issue currently is just the restraining order.
Kennedy may lift the stay, or put it to the court and they will likely lift the restraining order. If SCOTUS declines then there is no point arguing the case since the trial and appeals will last far longer than the ban would have been in place anyway except for Syria. Nothing would have at that point been decided on the merits, and we’d have a soft count on where we stand with SCOTUS if the actual case makes it that far.
That was my thought. Institute the EXTREME VETTING already...leave the court issue until he gets all 9 in place.
No problem! Whatever the commies did to get Scalia out of the way sets an easily utilized precedent...
In my opinion, his E.O. was “as required by law” (or words to that effect) meaning that he was simply ordering the judicial to enforce a law already on the books.
If it is unconstitutional - it is the law that is unconstitutional - and not his executive order.
I believe the court ruled incorrectly.
Trump COULD have ignored the district judge’s op-ed posing as a TRO...refusing to halt his ban during appeals. But it is FAR too late for him to do so now.
I agree with you completely that we sent him there to change thing and I pray that he is successful. My point being that since you have to use the law to change the law, you must have a competent, loyal team of your own to accomplish that. Just as you would never use your competitor’s programmers to debug your code, the president should not allow himself to be put into a position of depending on lawyers loyal to his opponents to defend his position.
I’m hoping that the new AG will do the talking, now.
He needs to *learn* these judges that when they put on their robes, they are no longer politicians.
AG Sessions should be allowed to unleash his Southern charm on these bench sitters.
As u say - our elected leaders lack the will (to protect and defend our constitutional representative system of governance ) - and that’s a very dark omen at least for the future of our republic -— We will see
If congress takes away immigration law from the court system will that affect citizenship rulings as in Natural Born Citizen determination when Rubio or Cruz try to run for office?
eeeeyep
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