Posted on 01/31/2017 5:20:24 PM PST by ColdOne
full title...........BREAKING NEWS: Trump names Neil Gorsuch as his Supreme Court nominee - firing starting gun on bitter battle with Democrats.........................President Donald Trump announced his appointment tonight of Neil Gorsuch, a U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit judge, to the Supreme Court.
If confirmed by the Senate, Gorsuch will fill the vacancy created by the February 2015 death of Antonin Scalia.
Republicans must rally eight Democrats to cross party lines in order for the appointment to clear a legislative hurdle known as cloture that takes 60 votes.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
When you go back to someone born in 1460, that’s approximately 16 generations back. Assuming that Adam de Scarisbrick, Lord of Gorsuch was Neil Gorsuch’s 13-great-grandfather, he was one of 65,536 ancestors from that generation for Neil Gorsuch. His other 65,535 13-great-grandparents contributed just as much to his generic make-up, but locating them and adding them to his family tree is a lot more difficult.
If you go back twenty generations (to persons born circa the early 1300s), you would find over a million 17-great-grandparents (although chances are that a lot of those names would appear multiple times in ones tree). Thirty generations back (around the late 900s), you would find over one *billion* 27-great-grandparents, which is many times larger than the world’s population at the time; many of ones ancestors from that generation appear hundreds or sometimes thousands of times in ones tree.
We know with mathematical certainty that we are all related to everyone else on Earth, although obviously some more remotely than others. Certainly everyone with even partial European ancestry is a descendant of Charlemagne (who died in 814) .... and of that butcher in Krakow with the five children, and of that seamstress in Cardiff who died at childbirth but whose daughter had four children. Everyone who lived in the 8th and 9th centuries in Europe either is an ancestor of *everyone* of European descent that is alive today, or of no one at all (because their line died out soon after their own death).
But the fact that we all have the same ancestors does not make genealogy any less fun—on the contrary, it makes the challenge greater, and allows us to build upon others’ research. While just about everyone in America is a descendant of Charlemagne, the challenge of genealogy is to prove it (but good luck trying to prove descent from an 8th-century butcher in Krakow; records for commoners is a lot more difficult to come by). I have to say, it is an extremely rewarding hobby.
:: Thirty generations back (around the late 900s), you would find over one *billion* 27-great-grandparents ::
FSM would report this as “centuries of white privilege” and/or “centuries of European Oppression”.
Wow. There's a name.
One of my uncles was saying he "found out" that we are decedents of Charlemagne and I was like........yeah we ain't special in that regard. And my mom said that well it's better than not being descended from Charlemagne.
Do you recall the story of the girl who did the school project that figured out every President other than Van Buren (and including Obama on his mom's side) was descended from King John of England (as I'm sure are millions of people), the bad guy from "Robin Hood" from whom some many of them have inherited tax happy disease?
I was trying to figure if any of last year's candidates maybe weren't. Trump I would assume is probably is on his mother's (though she was from an Island and was raised speaking Scottish Gaelic) but probably not his father's side (his paternal grandma was surnamed "Christ" btw). Shillery, probably is. Cruz, probably on his mom's side. Rubio, quite possibly not. Sanders, I'm guessing not.
“Anne McGill Gorsuch”
I thought this name sounded familiar. Anne Gorsuch, Neil’s mother, was President Reagan’s first EPA head, at the tender age of 39.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Gorsuch_Burford
I know nothing about the remote ancestry of last year’s presidential candidates, but given that I’m the 23-great-grandson of King John of England (nemesis of Robin Hood in legend, and real-life issuer of Magna Carta in 1215) through my great-great-great-grandfather who immigrated from the Spanish Canary Islands (but whose father was from Dublin), I would not discount the possibility that all of them descended from King John.
So I guess that, through King John, I’m related to all presidents save for the all-Dutch Van Buren. But I’m more closely related to George Washington through his 11-great-grandfather (and my 21-great-grandfather), Robert de Washington (1296-1347); we’re 12th cousins, 10 times removed.
Did I mention already that genealogy is a fun hobby? : )
Good, good!
Saw it on the news. Yes. Wonder what his IQ is? He must be brilliant.
a. While Gorsuch has thousands of ancestors, he has only one male Gorsuch lineage. The male lineage is the one that often dominates. In this case, the Anglican/Episcopalian affiliation was passed to each generation.
b. Genetically, too, the Y chromosome is passed all along the lineage. It has some dominant traits. So, no, males are not equally descended from all ancestors.
c. I’ve only been on Ancestry.com for 3 years.
d. Rev. John Gorsuch was a Royalist.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Gorsuch&GSiman=1&GScid=2356327&GRid=48354398&;
e. here is how the name developed.
Rev john Gorsuch, father was
Daniel b. 1569, father was
William b 1539, father was
Humphrey Gorsuch b 1510, father was
Walter de Gorsuch b 1490, father was
Adam de Scarisbrick, Lord of Gorsuch, b. 1460. father was
Walter de Scarisbrick, b. 1430, Scarisbrick, Lancaster, Eng
f. Rev. John Gorsuch is Neil’s 8th great-grandfather, so we are going back 10 generations.
2006 confirmation hearing
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/2016_0131_gorsuch_confirmation.pdf
Mcconnel all but said he wasn’t going to use the nuke option....only 51 votes needed to confirm pick. Reid used it.
I hate him
it is a bit odd that nobody on Ancestry.com has done a McGill tree. I just did a skeletal one with 13 people, starting with Dr McGill, grandfather of the nominee.
got as far as Patrick McGill born 1814 unknown county in Ireland died in 1870’s, probably NYC. No grave known.
I guess people will start picking at it now that they are somebody.
None of them will. They have party discipline.
Please ignore, I have no idea how I got on this old thread, I thought I was talking about Obamacare. ;d
I'm looking thru this old thread myself now and my memory didn't fail me. 95% of the comments had nothing but glowing praise for Trump picking an "originalist" and "Scalia-like nominee" from his vaulted "list", and sneered and scorned at all the "bitter NeverTrumpers proven wrong" who doubted what awesome conservative judges Trump would nominate.
Oh, the irony!
All I know is:
I have the right to petition and when I get before the Supreme Court they tell me,
I HAVE NO FREAKIN STANDING.
How’s that for a wake up call???
And if you read back thru this ENTIRE thread of about 200
posts, you can see that posts #42, 68, 110, and 153
(BJ1, Haiku Guy, 1rudeboy, JediJones) were the ONLY ones who
didn’t immediately accept that “Gorsuch is a Scalia clone,
God Bless PDJT for appointing him, all the NeverTrumpers who
doubted him are now proven wrong” premise.
As I noted, those of us who questioned the wisdom of appointing him were a tiny minority of FReepers at the time. Congrat guys, you won the internet.
I imagine you will find a similar level of blind, sheep-like acceptance of how “good” Trump’s nominees were on other threads from that time. Strangely enough, there was LESS blind acceptance for Kavanaugh (about 80% of FReepers instead of 95%), even though Gorsuch was clearly to his left.
And you gotta love the irony that the Gorsuch backers
demanded an “apology” from those who were skeptical during the campaign that Trump would name good judges, and sneered “I doubt we’ll ever get one from the NeverTrumpers”.
I won’t hold my breath waiting on an apology for the “how DARE you question how awesome Trump’s SCOTUS picks are, ya bitter NeverTrumper loser!”
In the meantime, the damage has been done. We’re stuck with these crappy SCOTUS judges for decades.
Thanks for nothing, AlwaysTrumpers
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