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We Have Too Many Law Schools, But This Isn't The Way To Thin The Herd
Forbes ^ | January 13, 2017 | George Leef

Posted on 01/13/2017 6:21:52 AM PST by reaganaut1

On December 19, the U.S. Department of Education announced that as of the end of the year, it would no longer allow students to use federal aid money at the Charlotte School of Law (CSL). The reason for this unprecedented move was the decision by the American Bar Association in November to place CSL on probation because of the low passage rate among its students on the most recent administration of the North Carolina bar exam.

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Instead of an administrative decree that one (or even dozens) of the schools with low bar passage rates will be denied federal student aid money, the right move would be to stop subsidizing law students entirely. If there was ever a case for using federal aid to encourage people to go to law school (I think not), that case evaporated years ago. It makes no more sense for the government to help a student with a 175 LSAT pay for Harvard than to help a student with a 145 LSAT pay for CSL.

Congress should change the law so that federal student aid money may not be used for law school, perhaps with a three-year phase-out. Schools will then compete as best they can for those students who can arrange to pay for their degrees with money from willing funders. (That would also put pressure on the ABA to relax its rules that drive up the cost of legal education, a serious problem that law dean Lawrence Velvel addresses in this article.)

No doubt there will be attrition among law schools, but far better that it come from market competition rather than bureaucratic diktats.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: education; highereducation; lawschool; lawyers; studentloans
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To: Stevenc131

Prostitutes are different than lawyers.
Prostitutes will stop screwing you when you’re dead.

It’s similar to the difference between a lawyer and a leech.
After you die the leech stops sucking your blood.


21 posted on 01/13/2017 7:17:25 AM PST by Iron Munro (.They should mIf Illegals voted Rebublican 50 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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To: econjack

Sure. I was thinking that they weren’t actually running law practices but doing other stuff that smart people can do. Patents, regulatory, technical writing, risk assesments and the like. We agree that there are too many lawyers filing litigation matters.


22 posted on 01/13/2017 7:19:09 AM PST by major-pelham
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To: reaganaut1

Congressman Hank “Guam is going to tip over” Johnson passed a state bar exam somewhere.


23 posted on 01/13/2017 7:29:27 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Jan 20, 2017 Rich white man evicts black family from public housing)
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To: reaganaut1

This is a creative way to ensure the work force is balanced, thus if this denial method of Fin Aid were instituted for all fields of study across the nation (a federal office of Student Aid Approval) it would create a situation that prevents too many liberal arts degrees, thus starving the professors and reclaiming society. Teaching young adults four years of study that leads to idle hands and an inability to repay the loans could be fixed very simply.


24 posted on 01/13/2017 7:37:36 AM PST by Jumper
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To: reaganaut1

Get rid of all financial aid and the cost of a college education would plummet and all the fake degree programs like homosexual studies would evaporate.


25 posted on 01/13/2017 7:38:49 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (President Trump is coming, and the rule of law is coming with him.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Ah yes! The Shakepsearean approach


26 posted on 01/13/2017 7:42:12 AM PST by t4texas (No koolaid for me. Thanks!)
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To: cloudmountain
Well, there's a hack in MA that had at least 17 attempts before managing to pass.

And, while not a state, didn't HRC, the "smartest woman in the world", fail to pass the DC bar exam?

27 posted on 01/13/2017 7:44:46 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: eyeamok
The Missing 13th Amendment: *No Lawyers Allowed In Public Office*

Just think, no JFK, no RMN, no WJC, no BHO, no TWW, no JCC, AL, and my knowledge of lawyer-presidents, off the top of my head, peters out.

28 posted on 01/13/2017 7:52:36 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: jimfree

Too many Law schools and not enough Medical Schools and nursing schools! Need more First res ponders—not Shysters.


29 posted on 01/13/2017 8:07:21 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Reno89519
Why should the bar exam success rate for graduates dictate financial aid for law students, but not others? You could make the same case for any other program that graduates professionals like doctors, CPAs, etc.

I'd prefer to see financial aid disappear completely -- and for these schools to compete for students using their own creative financing methods. I've long said that if pressed to do so, employers would play a much bigger role in supporting future professionals in college.

I'm a licensed engineer, and it would be interesting to see how engineering schools grade out based on the success rate on our licensing exams. I suspect this would yield some surprising results, with top-caliber schools ending up much further down the list than most people might expect.

30 posted on 01/13/2017 8:08:15 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: major-pelham

I had a fascinating conversation with a business associate of mine who immigrated from Asia some years ago and is now a U.S. citizen. He said the most basic human professions are medicine and engineering, and illustrated it by pointing out that in many countries of the world these are the ONLY two professional fields that exist for young people.


31 posted on 01/13/2017 8:11:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: reaganaut1

I’m ok with thinning the herd this way. In fact I would take it one step further and say that you can’t have financial aid unless you are majoring in a subject that is on an approved list of majors. The list would be heavy with math and science. No political science, history, literature or other useless degrees.


32 posted on 01/13/2017 8:20:16 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Or change the tort system to ‘loser pays.’ That would slash the demand for lawyers, cut into the appeal, and back up the flow to the law schools.


33 posted on 01/13/2017 8:31:47 AM PST by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: reaganaut1

But This Isn’t The Way To Thin The Herd
I know a way but it would be illegal and I might be sued by a lawyer.....


34 posted on 01/13/2017 9:33:20 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Da Coyote
And yet, they elect “lawmakers” whose comulative IQ appears to struggle to reach double digits.
To say nothing of the resulting laws.

Well, 38.8 million people is a LARGE number of people. That is what California's population is. Their lawmakers apparently are unknown to you. They have made many, many, many, many, many, many laws. You would KNOW that if you knew ANYTHING about California.
If California were so bad, there wouldn't be so many people in the "golden state."

Lol. You should talk about I.Q. You can't even spell CUMULATIVE. Though I don't blame your poor spelling on your state, just on YOUR own grammar lacuna. Lol. There is no such word as "comulative."

35 posted on 01/13/2017 8:25:11 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: econjack
The same is true of the medical license exam. The AMA and the ABA are two of the strongest unions in the country. Two of the most difficult exams are CA and FL and one of the easiest is ND. You don’t suppose that has anything to do with retiring lawyers and doctors and the need to control the supply of both in those states, do you?

It might. Who knows?
California ISN'T a state for retiring people. Property values are TERRIBLY high and retirees wouldn't have an easy time of it with their pensions.
Florida would be a MUCH better bet for them.

36 posted on 01/13/2017 8:28:05 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Calvin Locke
Well, there's a hack in MA that had at least 17 attempts before managing to pass.
And, while not a state, didn't HRC, the "smartest woman in the world", fail to pass the DC bar exam?

Oh dear. I hope everyone know that MA hack and DOESN'T end up having to use him/her for an attorney.
As for HRC, I don't know if she passed or not. To tell the truth I didn't know that DC had its own "state" type bar exam.

37 posted on 01/13/2017 8:33:47 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
As for HRC, I don't know if she passed or not.

I looked it up. The story is that she sat for both the DC and Arkansas exams, and was all set for a big DC law firm, ready to drag WJC back to DC, until she got the thick envelope.

To quote the article "the rest is history", she stayed in Arkansas, and married WJC...

38 posted on 01/14/2017 10:07:54 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: sparklite2

Loser pays already applies in a lot of instances. Doesn’t seem to stop the
Lawsuits. The loser usually doesn’t have any money.


39 posted on 01/14/2017 3:53:04 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Calvin Locke
I looked it up. The story is that she sat for both the DC and Arkansas exams, and was all set for a big DC law firm, ready to drag WJC back to DC, until she got the thick envelope.
To quote the article "the rest is history", she stayed in Arkansas, and married WJC...

Lol. She flunked it. WHAT a shame. I bet that made WJC smile and REALLY ticked HER off. That explains a lot.
THANKS for looking it up.

40 posted on 01/15/2017 6:06:42 AM PST by cloudmountain
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