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Stop Poking the Bear [Give diplomacy a chance. Stop provoking Moscow]
National Interest ^ | Dec 24 2016 | Robert W Merry

Posted on 12/26/2016 5:26:26 PM PST by WilliamIII

THE GRAVEST crisis facing America and the West is also the most unnecessary: the ominous deterioration in relations with Russia. Far from the danger posed during the Cold War, Russia nonetheless remains positioned upon the crucial Eurasian heartland, a strategic bastion that cannot be ignored. It has always been, and remains, a potential threat to Europe, and that must always be borne in mind. And yet the most provocative actions in this relationship in recent years have come from Europe, NATO and America—against Russia. NATO, a military alliance, has expanded right up to the Russian border. It has deployed components of a missile-defense shield in Poland and Romania. NATO has flirted with allowing both Georgia and Ukraine, both traditionally part of Russia’s sphere of influence, into the Western alliance. U.S. officials undermined the democratically elected leader of Ukraine, whose government tilted toward Russia, and have taken actions bent on pulling Ukraine from Russia’s orbit. When Russia responded by securing Crimea, with its crucial harbor, and providing military support to rebels in eastern Ukraine who don’t want to be pulled Westward, the United States and Europe imposed debilitating economic sanctions.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: putinsbootlickers; russiasucks
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1 posted on 12/26/2016 5:26:26 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

Convince Russia to dump Iran and join with Israel to hold off Turkey. The US needs to get rid of Whabbist access to the US and put Saudia Arabia on notice. Then we can gang up on ISIS.


2 posted on 12/26/2016 5:31:31 PM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: WilliamIII
THE GRAVEST crisis facing America and the West is also the most unnecessary: the ominous deterioration in relations with Russia.

Replace "Russia" with "Soviet Union" and you have the Liberals' mentality this time in 1980.

3 posted on 12/26/2016 5:33:00 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: WilliamIII

President Obama has succeeded in setting US / Russia relations back to the 1960s era. Oddly enough he’s done the same with race relations. Hmmm.


4 posted on 12/26/2016 5:33:50 PM PST by McGruff (I'm thinking.)
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To: WilliamIII

Putin may have assassinated certain press members who disagreed with him and some political dissidents along the way of his career, but he is far from stupid.

Anyone who thinks that none of the two Russian deaths and the plane crash have obama’s hands on them are, I think, being naive.

I could be wrong. But I don’t think so. I think at least one occurrence had his fingerprints on it.

How does an ambassador have no bodyguards and how did a man get a gun into the building and met no resistance even AFTER shooting the ambassador for such a long time?

Either way, there is NO WAY Putin will be provoked in the next 25 days into taking obummer’s bait.

Obama is playing a dangerous game with a dangerous man who certainly believes revenge can be served cold, as well as hot.


5 posted on 12/26/2016 5:37:14 PM PST by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: McGruff

yup - exactly


6 posted on 12/26/2016 5:37:36 PM PST by rb22982
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To: WilliamIII

Not diplomacy, a Grand Alliance. From 1941-1945 we faced a common enemy and mostly cooperated to defeat that enemy. We can do the same in the Decade. The United States can deploy technology as needed, and the Russians can do the dirty work we are too squeamish to do. Together, we can bring an end to the threat facing Western Civilization.


7 posted on 12/26/2016 5:41:16 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Paladin2

Russia will not dump Iran
In fact Russia will be a restraining influence on Iran and the only power I see capable of it
They may sell them weapons but they also sell the spare parts and technical know how to maintain and operate them
Russia doesnt want Iran nuking Israel ( or much of anyone) anymore than we do - or we used to until there was obama Jarrett Rice and Samantha Power - who probably thinks Israel deserves it

25 days....


8 posted on 12/26/2016 5:42:50 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: WilliamIII; LUV W

9 posted on 12/26/2016 5:48:09 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: McGruff

“President Obama has succeeded in setting US / Russia relations back to the 1960s era. Oddly enough he’s done the same with race relations. Hmmm.”

Good analogy.


10 posted on 12/26/2016 5:53:40 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: WilliamIII

This was all Hillary Clinton’s doing.


11 posted on 12/26/2016 5:54:38 PM PST by Bogie
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To: dp0622

If any of your post #5 is true, God be with the Secret Service detachment working with Obama after January 20. The overall security level will be lower, and despite Obama’s ego, he will be a private citizen then, as well as a softer target.


12 posted on 12/26/2016 5:56:46 PM PST by Bernard (The Road To Hell Is Not Paved With Good Results)
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To: WilliamIII

So Russia having illegally occupied Crimea and eastern Ukraine votes to condemn Israel for “occupied lands”.we are supposed to be impressed— Newt Gingrich


13 posted on 12/26/2016 6:10:27 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: Bernard; dp0622
If any of your post #5 is true, God be with the Secret Service detachment working with Obama after January 20. The overall security level will be lower, and despite Obama’s ego, he will be a private citizen then, as well as a softer target.

If Putin takes any action against Obama post-presidency, it will be to humiliate him.

14 posted on 12/26/2016 6:11:08 PM PST by okie01
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To: Bernard

A cursory investigation into these claims of #5 and you’ll find them as credible as the same BS pushed MSM that made claims that Trump has secret ties to he Kremlin. Or that Trump is an anti-Semite.


15 posted on 12/26/2016 6:25:43 PM PST by AC Beach Patrol
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To: WilliamIII

The author espouses a sound and popular opinion.


16 posted on 12/26/2016 7:06:06 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: McGruff

Obama is such a wussy. Pretends to be a badazz but I bet Moosechelle could whip his wimpy azz.


17 posted on 12/26/2016 7:16:53 PM PST by boycott (S)
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To: Mariner

The author espouses a Russian stooges opinion.

Russia is and always will be a terrorist state.


18 posted on 12/26/2016 7:21:10 PM PST by KOZ.
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To: WilliamIII
Russia is the victim.

Sweden has sent its submarines into Russia's territorial water. Ireland has had its war planes buzzing into Russia's airspace. British war planes are buzzing into Russian airspace. Ukraine is waging an undeclared war with Ukrainian soldiers on Russian territory. Ukraine has stacked up a large army on Russia's border poised to intimidate and invade. Ukraine took a large chunk of Russian territory despite a treaty they’d signed to respect Russia’s territory. Lithuania moved nuclear weapons to threaten Kaliningrad. Georgia invaded Russia to support Georgian separatists. Syrians are indiscriminately bombing Russians cities. Turkish planes are flying over Russian airspace. The USA has its hackers hacking Putin's secret bank accounts and releasing it to the public through Wikileaks. Yeah, Russia is a victim of many aggressive acts.

19 posted on 12/26/2016 10:48:31 PM PST by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

>Russia is the victim.

That’s the only sensible thing you said, even if you were being snarky. Lets try a thought experiment where we try to see things from Russia’s perspective:

There’s a US state department organized and Soros funded color revolution going in the Ukraine against the democratically elected government over a trade deal with the EU or Russia. Russia works out a deal with the US, the Ukrainian government, and the Soro’s Maiden movement to have early elections to decide the issue in order to stop the escalating violence. All sides agree. A short time later Maiden’s Nazi foot soldiers storm parliament and the president flees. Ukrainian legislators who oppose the unconstitutional impeachment proceedings are beaten in the streets and not allowed to enter parliament and the parliament pass the impeachment despite not having the required number of legislators for the vote to be legal.

The US State department renege on their agreement and recognizes the violent coup as the new government. They then announce that the Ukraine will be offered NATO membership following the violent revolution. To the Russians it appears that the US made a false agreement with Russia with the purpose of grabbing the Ukraine for the US sphere of influence.

Russia’s faced with the loss of their only warm weather port, NATO with bases posed at the heart of Russia, and the US emboldened by getting away with violating their agreements at will. Russia had 3 choices: 1. Do nothing and watch the US and Soros pull the same crap in all the nations in the Russian sphere of influence. 2. Invade the Ukraine and reinstall the democratically elected president. 3. Keep the Crimea and keep a resistance movement going so that the Ukraine is in eligible for NATO membership.

Thankfully for the world they chose option 3 instead of option 2.


20 posted on 12/26/2016 11:08:49 PM PST by RedWulf (Trump:Front Lines. Obama: Back Nine. Hillary:Nap T)
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