Disgruntled Democrats Want A Constitutional Convention To Leave The Union

ntknetwork.com ^ | December 6, 2016 1:57 pm | Staff

[Red Badger]

On Tuesday, disgruntled Democrats held a forum to discuss the possibility of replacing the Electoral College.

Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) conceded that Democrats could not get rid of the Electoral College due to the way the United States Constitution is written.

“I don’t think we can sustain our American democracy by having the majority ruled by the minority. And so the question is how to fix this since the Constitution is written in such a way that it’s almost impossible to amend,” Lofgren said.

Lofgren went on to say she is open to a Constitutional Convention, “We are three states away from calling for a Constitutional Convention. It’s something I’ve always been opposed to, …. But I’ll say because, for the second time in sixteen years, people the American voters elected did not become president. Rational people, not the fringe, are now talking about whether states could be separated from the U.S., whether we should have a Constitutional Convention. And I think as time goes on that is apt to become more the case unless we here can figure an answer to preventing the majority from being ruled by the minority.

[Iron Munro]

Good point.

How about this caveat:

No vote for the able bodied living on government handouts

[nathanbedford]

The "danger" is so arithmetically remote as to be inconsequential, a reality of which you must be aware since the following reply has been posted many, many times by me and other FReepers since it was first written in 2015:

There are 99 houses in 50 state legislatures. Any leftist amendment would require only 13 of these legislative bodies from 99 to defeat ratification. In other words, three quarters of the state legislatures must ratify or 38 states. If 13 legislatures fail to ratify the amendment is defeated. Since ratification by legislatures requires both houses to consent, only 13/99 are required. That is very close to 13%.

After the last election Republicans control 69 houses of the 99 state legislative houses. Republicans control 31 of the 50 state legislatures. To stop any unwise or imprudent amendment would require only 13 of these 69 Statehouses (from different states) or about 19%, fewer than one in five.

The problem will not be to stop left-wing amendments but to pass prudent conservative amendments which restore the Constitution by invoking the Constitution.

If the Congress of the United States elects to have the ratification procedures conducted by conventions rather than legislatures, the method of selecting the delegates to those conventions would be chosen by the legislatures. If only 13 legislative bodies out of 99 object to the method chosen by the other body because it is considered to favor a leftist amendment, there is no ratification forthcoming from that state.

By either procedure the odds of a liberal amendment getting past so many conservative legislative bodies in so many states is both arithmetically and practically remote.

Finally, this is only the last line of defense, there are innumerable steps along the way which make a "runaway convention" virtually impossible and render the need for the states to fail to ratify very likely superfluous.

[Blackhawk45]

California was red at some point!

[Jacquerie]

IIRC, Rush said yesterday, and I agree, congressional rats are spring-loaded to demand a special counsel to investigate Trump. The reason doesn’t matter; they will come up with an excuse soon enough. The media will be all over it and never let up. It is how the statists will attempt to derail Trump. I hope his close advisers are ready.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

If they want the E.C. to be closer to the popular vote, these Califoolians should use the Congressional district method rather than the winner-take-all method. But that would kill their own clout in the E.C., and all states would need to switch for it to actually work.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

It was, but immigrants and liberal transplants changed all that.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

As a countermove, Trump should be spring-loaded to criminally investigate Hillary Clinton. Hopefully, that will ward the leftoids off like a cross and garlic does to a vampire.

[Red Badger]

Read Atlas Shrugged for a look at that universe............

[central_va]

CA secession would be the greatest thing that could happen. Without the anchor of their solid Democrat 55 EV's the rest of the USA could return to it's little r republican roots.

Via con Dios Kalifornica. How can I help?

[Deplorable American1776]

Yes...it would be good....