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G.O.P. Plans Immediate Repeal of Health Law, Then a Delay
NYT's ^ | 12/2/16 | ROBERT PEAR, JENNIFER STEINHAUER and THOMAS KAPLAN

Posted on 12/04/2016 6:57:03 AM PST by ColdOne

WASHINGTON — Republicans in Congress plan to move almost immediately next month to repeal the Affordable Care Act, as President-elect Donald J. Trump promised. But they also are likely to delay the effective date so that they have several years to phase out President Obama’s signature achievement.

This emerging “repeal and delay” strategy, which Speaker Paul D. Ryan discussed this week with Vice President-elect Mike Pence, underscores a growing recognition that replacing the health care law will be technically complicated and could be politically explosive.

Since the law was signed by Mr. Obama in March 2010, 20 million uninsured people have gained coverage, and the law has become deeply embedded in the nation’s health care system, accepted with varying degrees of enthusiasm by consumers, doctors, hospitals, insurance companies and state and local governments.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 114th; congress; obamacare; repealandreplace; ryan; trump; trumpagenda
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To: georgiarat
Need to pass laws allowing competition across state lines.

Everyone keeps waving that like it's some kind of miracle solution. Leave aside the 10th Amendment implications. If an insurance company does not currently do business in my state then where is the incentive for me to buy from them and where is their incentive for them to sell to me?

21 posted on 12/04/2016 7:28:48 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Vendome
The Federal Government has pissed away the SS fund and is spending much more than they are now confiscating in tax revenue.

SS is going cash negative and they need another revenue stream. Their intention is to capture the money we spend on health care, 1/6 of the US economy, to supplement their drunken sailor ways.

Republicans want your money as much as the Democrats, and it is unlikely they will abandon their health care coup any time soon.

22 posted on 12/04/2016 7:32:54 AM PST by caltaxed
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To: ColdOne

No need for the government to replace squat. Free market will do the job. Health care and health insurance is not the purview of the government.


23 posted on 12/04/2016 7:36:31 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: ColdOne

:..20 million uninsured people have gained coverage...”

and how many of those had to drop it because it was unaffordable?? I know one such person who experienced that scenario. Then he needed emergency surgery and two hospitals refused to accept him. Surgeons were willing to operate and helped find a hospital. The surgery was successful, but he will be paying for the expenses the rest of his life. No longer able to work construction, last year he found a job paying much less, but with health benefits. (fyi - before Obamacare he had a policy which paid health benefits for catastrophic cases - such as this)


24 posted on 12/04/2016 7:37:38 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Lion Den Dan
No need for the government to replace squat. Free market will do the job.

Amen, bro.

Idiot bureacRATS like McConnell can't help but write 5,000 page bills.

Easier to hide the Cronyism that way I suppose.

25 posted on 12/04/2016 7:38:47 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: I want the USA back
The dems and the media will start the scare tactics right away.

Sometimes, just like quitting smoking, the best way to go is just "Cold Turkey"!! JMHO!

26 posted on 12/04/2016 7:39:18 AM PST by Don Corleone (Oil the gun, eat the cannolis, take it to the mattress.)
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To: patro

THANK YOU!!! Go back to free market. No “replacement”


27 posted on 12/04/2016 7:41:00 AM PST by Stopthethreat
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To: ColdOne

If they do, then they are going directly against what Trump promised. Trump said the old would stop and immediately, with no decernible break, the new healthcare would start.

I heard him say it myself. He was very emphatic.


28 posted on 12/04/2016 7:42:34 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I Love Bull Markets!!!)
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To: ColdOne

The incoming Secretary of HHS has proposed a good plan. Get it on the books at the same time as Obamacare is removed. It may take a year to implement the entire package but do not let Congress fiddle-faddle. The old Congressional trick of letting good legislation wait until it fades away won’t work anymore. The people are awake an watching.

Put close and strict time limits on all bills.


29 posted on 12/04/2016 7:46:13 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: patro
What the hell with all this replacement speak?? The free market is the replacement.

There has always been a significant welfare component to the U.S. medical care system. (This, btw, includes Medicare.) Obamacare significantly expanded Medicaid, and a lot of the poor and a many of the people with chronic conditions are now getting their insurance through the exchanges. These are people who can't just migrate to the market. If we just repeal Obamacare and cancel their policies overnight, where do they go?

The right kind of repeal and replace needs to shift the entire system, including employer paid health insurance, to individually owned, fully portable policies. I'd start with federal employees. Grandfather the old system for people over 50 or 55, but put younger employees and new hires into a market based system. Extend this to the private sector as soon as practicable. The third party payment system is the root of the problem.

Third party payment is inherent in the welfare safety net, but it needs to be uprooted entirely for everyone else, including retirees. If we don't rip it out entirely, single payer will be back with a vengeance the moment the Democrats again control Congress and the WH. Simply repealing Obamacare doesn't fix the underlying problem that led to Obamacare in the first place, and we will only get one shot at this, so we'd better do a thorough job at the start.

30 posted on 12/04/2016 7:50:14 AM PST by sphinx
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To: ColdOne

“...accepted with varying degrees of enthusiasm by consumers, doctors, hospitals, insurance companies...”

Has anyone met a consumer who is enthusiastic about Obamacare? Rates for Arizona are set to skyrocket this year. My sister already pays more for her insurance than her house would rent for on the market. My son pays more for insurance than the apartment he rents.

Hard to get enthusiastic about paying more for health insurance than for your home...


31 posted on 12/04/2016 7:53:16 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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To: Mr Rogers

Insurance for hubby and me is $1300 per month. Our house payment (we paid it off) was $1373.
Thanks Obama!


32 posted on 12/04/2016 7:55:43 AM PST by sheana
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To: ColdOne

When did the NYT begin to call “President Barack Hussein Obama”
Mr. O’Bama

My, my, the sky it must be falling~


33 posted on 12/04/2016 7:58:25 AM PST by V K Lee (DJ TRUMP=My Strongest Advocate MAGA; DJT=The Swamp Drainer)
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To: ColdOne

Fake news.

It will take 2017 to get the whole enchilada done.

Day 1 repeal as of dec 31 2017. Free market as of Jan 1 2018 WITH:
Being able to buy across state lines
Being able to choose additional premium to insure kids up to whatever age you want
Being able to choose additional premium to insure a pre-existing condition

I don’t like my $12500 0bamacare compliant deductible. I’m tired of paying for other peoples kids being covered. If you want your kids covered, you pay.


34 posted on 12/04/2016 8:06:00 AM PST by Principled (...the Supreme Court of the United States favors some laws over others...)
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To: caltaxed

The USG did contribute some to the “pissing away” the SS fund. The real problem was and is structural. It was never set up as a proper annuity. It’s a scheme were the working generation pay for the retired generation. As long as the demographics and mortality rates don’t change (They did!), FedGov doesn’t add non-contributors to the pool (The USG did!) it “sort of” works. An individual also can take out way more then they put in. (Like Ida May Fuller did, she only contributed to the system for 3 years and had the audacity to live to be 100 years old!). Functionally it’s a Ponzi Scheme, FedGov can continually tune the edges but all it will do is hold of the day of reckoning. Which will come!

Sad thing is the annuity industry warned FedGov (FDR Administration) this would happen, FedGov didn’t listen.

I think it was deliberate, the idea being “political”, trap the retired generation in being beholden to FedGov (That is FDR Democrats!) & the working generation having to vote for Rats to keep from starving Grandpa & Grandma.


35 posted on 12/04/2016 8:11:08 AM PST by Reily
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To: ColdOne

The “delay” par has a few FReepers up in arms - they think he can wave his magic wand and presto - it’s all done instead of having to phase the changes in to prevent absolute chaos.


36 posted on 12/04/2016 8:23:10 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: ColdOne

I wonder what the deductible is for these 20 million who now have health insurance who didn’t have it before.

In my case, both premiums and deductibles have doubled for the same coverage. I never reach the deductible so I never use the insurance anymore. Everything is out of pocket. Is something different for these people who get subsidies to pay the premium? If not, then they have insurance they never get to use either. How are they better off now than before they had insurance?


37 posted on 12/04/2016 8:23:20 AM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: V K Lee
When did the NYT begin to call “President Barack Hussein Obama” Mr. O’Bama

Since Odungo became Irish?

38 posted on 12/04/2016 8:30:00 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

He may be GREEN, but much too tall to be considered a leprechaun.


39 posted on 12/04/2016 8:43:16 AM PST by V K Lee (DJ TRUMP=My Strongest Advocate MAGA; DJT=The Swamp Drainer)
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To: ColdOne

The original bill took several years to set in place, it will take a while to undo the damage. Any one thinking it will happen over night is delusional. Trump might get the penalties revoked quickly, but all the crap imposed on doctors and hospitals are going to be a slower slog to remove. They have spent BILLIONS gearing up for 0’Care, and it will take time to undo it. It may have to be done peace meal over a couple of years to allow doctors and hospitals to make the change over.

Give it some time.


40 posted on 12/04/2016 8:43:40 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: Merry CHRISTmas, Happy Birthday JESUS CHRIST, suck it up buttercup you lost)
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