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Navy’s Ammo-less Destroyer Should be Equipped With This Proven Rocket System
THE DRIVE ^ | November 16, 2016 | Tyler Rogoway

Posted on 11/17/2016 10:27:42 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

The Zumwalt class stealth destroyer has become a floating example of just how miserably bastardized major defense acquisition programs can get. Now that the news has broke that the ship’s twin Advanced Gun Systems (AGS) won’t even have any ammunition to fire, because each shell costs nearly a million dollars, the Navy should quickly take another, highly proven route to replace the AGS mission set, and even expand it in the process.

One of the shining technological stars of recent military operations abroad is the Army’s and the Marine’s High Mobility Mobile Rocket Artillery System, better known as HiMARS. The system is really a pint-sized, quickly deployable version of the M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System which is capable of slinging various rockets over long distances with extreme accuracy. Both HiMARS and the M270 are capable of carrying pods filled with a six-pack of 277mm rockets or a single 655mm Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS). The M270 carries two of these weapons pods while HiMARS carries one.

What is so attractive about migrating this adaptive design over to the Zumwalt class is that multiple types of rockets were built to be launched from these common multi-celled pods. Such a system could likely be adapted into vertical launch cells taking up the area where the AGS is fitted aboard the Zumwalt. Doing so could actually reduce the ship’s radar cross-section. Four rockets that are already adapted to use this fairly simple launch systems, three of which are already fielded operationally in large quantities, would be of interest for DDG-1000.

The first two are the M30 and M31 Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System rockets. These missiles can reach out to 50 miles and are precision guided using inertial navigation with embedded GPS. They are highly accurate and hard to defend against. Additionally, the M30 carries 404 submunitions and can affect a large area, while the M31 has a 200lb high explosive unitary warhead, better suited for taking out pinpoint targets such as structures and vehicles ,or for providing very close support for ground troops.

The GMLRS+ has been in development and features the same capabilities of the M31, but can fly out even farther, to around 70 miles, and can be equipped with a laser seeker to strike moving targets designated by a third party. This could be a done by a ship, a tactical aircraft, or a special operations team in the area that the missile is intended to impact.

The third is the much larger, much longer-ranged M39 ATACMS ballistic missile. The 3,700lb missile can fly out to nearly 200 miles, and packs a 500lb unitary warhead or various submunitions. It can take out a field of enemy personnel and material, or it can obliterate a building. ATACMS is also GPS/INS guided and has high accuracy. A new version is in the process of being fielded that includes a seeker that will allow the missile to hit moving targets.

The idea of modifying ATACMS to hit moving targets has sparked the imagination of the US Army, who is interested in using the missile as a coastal defense anti-ship ballistic missile. Anti-ship duties have long been the purview of the US Navy, but with the Pacific Pivot underway, real anti-access/area denial threats growing, and the Navy pushing its own “distributed lethality” concept, it is hard to argue against such an application or the Army’s interest in it.

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ATACMS being fired.

Although ATACMS is out of production, thousands still are in stock and are being upgraded, and a replacement is on the way. The great thing is that this replacement will likely be able to use the same launch system as that used on HiMARS and the M270 MLRS, and will feature increased capabilities. This missile will likely have a 310 mile range and will have a smaller diameter than the 30 year old ATACMS design, allowing two to be carried in each MLRS pod, as opposed to one. Additionally, it may also be networked and will most likely feature a multi-mode seeker for engaging all types of targets, including ships, in all weather situations.

What the Navy would get by removing the Zumwalt’s Advanced Gun System and replacing it with adapted MLRS launchers is an off-the-shelf, high production volume, very flexible weapon system that will in most ways totally surpass the capabilities that the AGS was supposed to provide. With it, DDG-1000 will be able to not only provide rapid precision fires over many dozens of miles, but it will be able to also do so over hundreds of miles. Not just that, but it will be able to do both using unitary or area munitions, something the AGS could never do. And those area munitions could be especially handy when providing naval gunfire support for Marines as they prepare for a beach landing. Sub-munition laden M30 and ATACMS rockets can clear the beach of enemy personnel and lightly armored vehicles, while M31 and ATACMS rockets can go after heavily armored vehicles and fortified bunkers.

The original DDG-1000 concept is shattered in many ways, the fact that its guns won't even have ammo is maybe the most glaring.

More than anything else, the Navy would be investing in a very mature weapons concept that has already achieved production efficiency, and one that is constantly evolving with new rocket upgrades and capabilities. By adding US Navy dollars to the program it will only get stronger, and the USMC already fields the system. Cost-wise there is no comparison to an M30/31 rocket and a ACS shell. The rocket costs around $100,000 and the AGS shell costs at least eight times that, and likely more. The ATACMS cost far more, at around $875,000 per missile, but it’s hard hitting capabilities and long range fall somewhere between the less expensive M30/31 and the more expensive Tomahawk cruise missile.

The nice thing also about the system is that for now large amounts of MLRS prds, each capable of carrying a single ATACMS or six M30/31s, can take up the space where the Zumwalt’s guns are today, leaving massive areas below deck vacant. This is where the AGS’s complex ammo handling systems are today. In the future, say half of these MLRS cells can are removed for the installation of an electromagnetic railgun, while the other half can still remain.

Roughly each six round container takes up one and a half Mark 41 vertical launch cells. Even if an installation the size of the Mark 41 VLS magazine on the bow of a Ticonderoga class cruiser (61 cells) were installed on DDG-1000 ships, this would mean that a total of 40 MLRS pods could be fitted in the same surface area. This would equal 240 M30/31 rockets, or a mix of say 10 ATACMS and 180 M30/31. This is a lot of firepower, and the configuration offers far more capability than what a single AGS could provide. This is especially true considering that ATACMS is now likely to get an anti-ship capability, and regardless of that, it would give the DDG-1000 an intermediate range land-attack weapon. In the future, two replacement missiles will be able to fit into a single pod and offer far greater range.

If the Zumwalt class were to pave the way with integrating a VLS version of the MLRS, other candidate hosts could follow suit. Most notably, the San Antonio class of Amphibious Transport Docks that were designed with a space for a 16 cell Mark 41 vertical launch system. Hosting a navalized MLRS on these ships would make perfect sense considering their role is to support, or even unilaterally conduct, amphibious operations and low-intensity warfare missions, just like USS San Antonio is executing right now off the coast of Libya.

Converting this space over to MLRS capability would also allow the ship to directly support raids by Marines deep into enemy territory without the need of keeping organic air assets overhead. It would also be able to help prepare the beach for a landing via providing direct artillery support from far over the horizon. Roughly ten MLRS six-celled systems could be installed in the space, which would offer 60 M30/31 rockets to be at the disposal of Marine commanders.

In the end, the Navy should at the very least investigate what it would take to adapt the MLRS for its uses, and the loss of a dedicated round for the Zumwalt class’s Advanced Gun Systems could be turned from a huge loss into a substantial gain. One that could be had at comparatively minimal cost. Not only that, but the Navy and Marines could finally have an answer for their lack of naval gunfire support that evaporated the day the last Iowa class battleship was retired.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: destroyer; himars; usn; zumwalt
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1 posted on 11/17/2016 10:27:42 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It’s a stealth destroyer it don’t need no stinking weapons ,it can hide ,this had to be Obama’s idea


2 posted on 11/17/2016 10:34:23 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: sukhoi-30mki

But how does all of this promote equality of women, gays, and transgender sailpersons in the Navy?


3 posted on 11/17/2016 10:37:54 AM PST by omega4412
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The destroyer already has 80 cells carrying a mix of Tomahawk, Standard, and ASROC missiles. What does it need this for?


4 posted on 11/17/2016 10:41:17 AM PST by Lower Deck
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The US needs advanced heavy firepower.

All of us deplorables demand it, and we can design and build it!

To every person serving in our military:

We, the citizens, the builders, the creators, appreciate your service to our country, and we want nothing less than setting all of you up for success.

All of you are literally putting your lives on the line for all of us, and I would make sure that you go into that fight armed to the teeth with the best that American industry has to offer.


5 posted on 11/17/2016 10:41:31 AM PST by factoryrat (We reserve the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Lower Deck

Correct, the author gets some facts wrong. The system is the Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS). It was originally mounted on a tracked vehicle. The HIMARS (High Mobility Artillery Rocket System) is merely the wheeled version.

There are a variety of munitions for these systems. None of which have been tested against moving ships nor for mounting and use on ships. Salt water is a bear on electronic systems, so you would have to test them out.

All to mount a system that duplicates capabilities found in current naval systems.

The Zumwalts need a good cannon to both hit and kill other ships and boats (fast attack craft, missile boats, suicide boats, etc...) and strike land targets with 24/7 all weather fires. They might be able to adapt low velocity Army 155 howitzer rounds such as Excalibur for use in the current high velocity cannon.


6 posted on 11/17/2016 11:15:39 AM PST by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.)
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To: Lower Deck
Because the destroyer is designed to support amphibious assaults and land attack, and of the missiles you described, only the Tomahawk is suitable for that mission.

The MLRS is much cheaper per round than a Tomahawk.

7 posted on 11/17/2016 11:17:42 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Lower Deck

It does have existing missile cells. They have their role. But the Zumwalt was “sold” as a land attack specialist with special long-range guns that could shell a target area on land in preparation for a Marine landing, or similar event.

If it effectively has no guns, then it has lost it’s primary mission. It’s not “useless” (because it has 80 missile cells) but it is somewhat pointless.


8 posted on 11/17/2016 11:18:12 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The coolest, I don’t know how practical it actually is/was, concept I saw in recent years was the proposal of the arsenal ship.

It was supposed to hold something absurd like 300+ cruise missiles. Basically though it had to return for servicing after firing its payload and was a one shot done for the war type system.

Honestly though, how many wars/conflicts would we get in where we’re hurling 300+ cruise missiles at a time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_ship


9 posted on 11/17/2016 11:33:20 AM PST by PittsburghAfterDark (The American media: We do what the Soviet media did without the guns to our head.)
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To: factoryrat

.........well said! kudos to you!


10 posted on 11/17/2016 11:51:46 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Basically though it had to return for servicing after firing its payload and was a one shot done for the war type system.

Sounds like a few of the Russian destroyer designs, fire off the anti-ship missiles and run like hell, you are out of ship-ship ammo until you get back to port.

11 posted on 11/17/2016 2:58:50 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Big BOON DOGGLE

The Navy called USS Zumwalt a warship Batman would drive. But at $800,000 per round, its ammo is too pricey to fire. TOTALLY loaded ammo is $2Billion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/08/the-navy-called-uss-zumwalt-a-warship-batman-would-drive-but-at-800000-per-round-its-ammo-is-too-pricey-to-fire/


12 posted on 11/17/2016 7:38:45 PM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: A politician that won't keep his word to Veterans/Military won't keep them to You!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It’s now an underarmed, hideously expensive version of the 90s Arsenal Ship


13 posted on 11/18/2016 6:43:46 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools" Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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