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From grease to specialized license plate covers, drivers try to beat tolls
MassLive ^ | October 30, 2016 | Scott J. Croteau

Posted on 11/15/2016 8:10:49 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: IYAS9YAS

Yeah. It was something I was looking into doing a few years ago and I researched it. Any kind of remote control of plate flipping, covering, etc. is a felony, at least in Washington state, where I was checking it out.

I just googled it and it is not all that cut and dried, but seems to depend on where you live.


21 posted on 11/15/2016 8:57:41 AM PST by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If you make a tax too high, people will evade it. Look at Kansas with it’s high cost of tagging vehicles. At least 20% of Kansas residents are tagging in other states.


22 posted on 11/15/2016 8:59:10 AM PST by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

It’s not a matter of whether your taxes paid for it, it’s a way to try and relieve the congestion on the roads, and is also illegal to use unless you are a legitimate car pool. Did you think Hillary shouldn’t be prosecuted too? That was just as illegal. Maybe you think Bergdahl shouldn’t be prosecuted. Or any of the people who have killed over 600 in Chicago this year. Maybe we should just ignore every law in the country we don’t like. After all we paid taxes to keep the country running, why should we be bothered by its laws? I pay taxes every time I buy anything except food. (No food taxes in Texas) So just because I pay taxes I should ignore the laws? What other laws might you advocate ignoring? Murder? Theft? Armed Robbery? Rape?


23 posted on 11/15/2016 9:12:05 AM PST by Paleo Pete (President Trump. I can live with that...)
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To: aimhigh

Years ago I was in East and asked someone where the freeway was. They said there aren’t any free ways around here.


24 posted on 11/15/2016 9:12:34 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: Paleo Pete
It’s not a matter of whether your taxes paid for it, it’s a way to try and relieve the congestion on the roads, and is also illegal to use unless you are a legitimate car pool.

Depends on the state. In Utah, driving through the Salt Lake metro, it only depends on occupants, or you can use it with a motorcycle. Still, it's BS. Same with public buildings designating parking for Smart/Electric cars only. It's a public highway, financed by excise taxes. Unless they give me a refund for what I'm not allowed to use, I should be allowed to use it. The traffic flow BS is just that, BS.

Your other examples are nonsensical.

25 posted on 11/15/2016 9:29:56 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees! - Kipling)
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To: Mr. Douglas

What about mud picked up in the normal course of driving? Will states require that cars be equipped with license plate washers?


26 posted on 11/15/2016 9:31:36 AM PST by meatloaf (I am one irritated Vet.)
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To: Mr. Douglas
I just googled it and it is not all that cut and dried, but seems to depend on where you live.

I first saw the plate flippers at a SEMA show way back in 2007 (I'm sure they were out well before that, too), and they were all labeled as "for off-road use only" to save their hides legally.

Heck, here in NM, we only use one plate on the back, so they got to get you going, too, since getting a picture of you coming will only get a picture of an obscured face hidden by a bird. ;-)

27 posted on 11/15/2016 9:32:49 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees! - Kipling)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I’m in Kentuck. Only a back plate here too. Love it.

Also, no motorcycle cops in this state and no camera enforcement.


28 posted on 11/15/2016 9:39:52 AM PST by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: meatloaf

What about mud picked up in the normal course of driving?


That is your responsibility. It’s kinda like a burned out tail light.

And let’s be honest. It takes a LOT of mud to obscure a back license plate. ;-)


29 posted on 11/15/2016 9:41:04 AM PST by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: Paleo Pete

On I-295 (a toll free highway) southbound in Maine, north of Portland, there is a road sigh for “BOSTON — NEW HAMPSHIRE” that, if you follow it, detours you via a dogleg onto I-95, the Maine Turnpike, which is a toll road, and generally more crowded as well as longer. I-295 joins I-95 south of Portland, you wind up going to the same place either way.

I listen to traffic reports approaching Portland from the north, and if 295 is tied up, I will take the detour, but it does strike me as sleazy.


30 posted on 11/15/2016 9:43:50 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party supports full civil rights for Necro-Americans!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Here in Austin, motorcyclists found that if they ride the dotted line separating the lanes as they pass under the toll stations the cameras can’t get any pictures of their license plates. Don’t know if that has been fixed, but I see lots of bikers doing it.


31 posted on 11/15/2016 9:54:11 AM PST by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: Mr. Douglas

Not when it’s applied with a paint sprayer.


32 posted on 11/15/2016 10:01:41 AM PST by meatloaf (I am one irritated Vet.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I want online webcams in every tax-paid employee’s workplace.


33 posted on 11/15/2016 12:31:22 PM PST by polymuser (Enough is enough!)
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To: IYAS9YAS

<><>Your other examples are nonsensical.<><>

Nope, I just took your flawed logic to its logical conclusion. If you think you should be able to violate the law pertaining to HOV lanes because you paid fuel taxes, what’s to stop you or anyone else from taking it to another level?

Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not, right now police in Dallas and Houston are cracking down on illegal use of HOV lanes at $300 per ticket. Legally, you don’t have a leg to stand on. It’s not just a voluntary thing, there are laws in place concerning the use of HOV lanes. It has nothing to do with whether you pay taxes.

I don’t know whether HOV lanes do much to alleviate traffic congestion, but using them does have certain restrictions and conditions, and whether you pay fuel taxes is not one of those conditions.

Bottom line is, it’s illegal to use HOV lanes with less than 2 people, sometimes 3. If you think you can ignore that law, what’s to keep you or anyone else from ignoring any law? We all pay taxes of some sort or another, by your logic we could all use that to circumvent any law.

My shotgun holds 5 rounds - 4 in the magazine, 1 in the chamber. If I go out and shoot 5 people what do you think the judge will say if I tell him well, I paid taxes on those shotgun shells, I can use them however I please. Have fun sitting in prison.

Tell you what, go to Dallas or Houston, get caught in the HOV lane and take it to court, and tell the judge you can use the HOV lane if you want to because you pay fuel taxes. I don’t have to guess what he will tell you. Have fun paying your $300 ticket...just the fact that you pay fuel taxes does not exempt you from following the law.


34 posted on 11/15/2016 7:20:24 PM PST by Paleo Pete (President Trump. I can live with that...)
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