Posted on 11/11/2016 11:45:02 AM PST by Theoria
Like all their sting operations that go on and on and on and on and only nab a handful.
The feds own sicko websites are taking the operation a bit too far. They could have done it much better, quicker and without the children. Guess they’ve never heard of the NSA.
Reminds me of the Florida Sheriff’s department that manufactured it’s own crack to use in sting operations. It’s only the law for some people.
“I solved my concerns by putting ad-blocker and a java stopper on my computer. I have a list of trusted sites. If I’m redirected somewhere else, nothing will run unless I tell it to make an exception. And even then it is only temporary (unless I choose to make it permanent).”
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Do you mean “javascript” blocker? Many people mix up “Javascript’ (almost essential to browse) with “Java”.
Unless you need Java for whatever reason, I’d uninstall it - it’s a malware magnet.
I think it’s pretty well established that Americans will go along with anything as long as they’re not in the government’s crosshairs. And then squeal like pigs when the principle is applied to them. Asset forfeiture comes to mind.
Kinda like the feds giving fake bombs to idiots and then claiming they stopped a terrorist attack. While the fools were too stupid to wash a dinner plate
Just up the road from my hometown there was a young man who was arrested and kept in jail until his trial. It was in Pell City, Al. Got him on terrorism charges. He was, allegedly, plotting with terrorist’s overseas, plotting to blow up....somthing.
Any way. Boy it was a big deal. The Feds and the local cops cooperated and brought down this big time terrorist.
But what it really was, was a 20 something young man who was retarded and had the mind of a 10y.o.
Hell, most everybody in Pell City knew him. He’d been though the school system. He was profoundly disabled.
One of the Pell City cops tried to tell the Feds and anyone else who would listen, the truth.
She was fired for “obstructing the investigation”.
I’m not sure but I think they finally let the poor kid loose.
“It’s one of the things I worry about - getting caught up in one of these things completely accidentally and being “stuck”. That is, the same thing has happened to me at home and I don’t bother with creating a paper trail because there is no “HR” department to worry about.”
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Here’s an article from 2008 that pretty much addresses that as a valid concern:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080320/102209599.shtml
I can’t remember the name of the software off hand but, yes, it’s a javascript blocker. It was actually recommended to me by freepers on a thread about security. It’s served me very well.
The uniquely foul nature of child molestation makes such tactics almost palatable. The law, however, is not a criminal enterprise. It cannot engage in crime and prosecute those who are ensnared in its web without substantially diminishing its respect. The very act of promoting child pornography is criminal.
I wonder if the FBI was prohibited from investigating Comet Ping Pong during this investigation.
It shouldn’t be legal to commit a crime in order to catch a criminal.
The devil is in the details.
Even the definition of CP must be questioned. For example, Paul Reubens (aka Pee Wee Herman) had a very large and valuable collection of “antique pornography”, including some nudes of children taken in the early 20th Century. Were they still alive, those children would be well over 100 years old.
Another problem is that it is not just real children, but “depictions of children”. That is, some CP is described as having children’s bodies, but with adult heads Photoshopped over their heads and visa versa.
Also, since many ‘models’ cannot be located, courts often will bring in “experts” to guess whether they were legally children or adults when photographed. Some courts have gone so far as to say that petite women with small breasts are “close enough” to looking like children that photos of them are CP.
A man was arrested in Puerto Rico for possession of CP, with a video of adult porn star Lupe “Little Lupe” Fuentes. A pediatrician testified that based on her appearance she was underage. However, even after Fuentes, to protect her career, flew to Puerto Rico with documents, including a US passport, that proved she was an adult in that film, the prosecutor *still* wanted to prosecute the guy for CP, saying it was “close enough”, that her appearance alone made her appear to be underage.
Illustrations and animations of cartoon characters who appear to be underage in sexual situations. The courts have been mixed on this, but the consensus is that cartoons can be CP.
The ludicrous nature of this was demonstrated by someone who drew two nondescript stick figures. Just round heads, stick bodies, arms and legs. The first set he described as “adults” that were clothed and doing something ordinary. The second set, identical to the first, depicted children engaged in sexual acts. Sure enough, the second set of stick men were argued to be CP, based on his description.
Even text has been determined to be CP. A convicted child molester was on probation and had kept a journal of his fantasies, without acting on them. Because he was on probation, his writings were determined to be CP and illegal, though had someone else written them, they would not.
Last but not least, is the decidedly adult looking porn star Traci Lords. She had made many porn movies and nobody suspected her of being underage. But she had no rights to royalties from any of those movies, so when she announced that she *had been* underage when they were made, using a false ID, so they were immediately declared retroactively illegal. Then, as an adult, she flew to Europe and made her last porn movie, for which she kept all the rights and made all the profits, and sticking it to those who had paid her for her work.
Yes and in many cases it is well justified. I am sure that a good number of the jihadi web sites were set up by the FBI.
Their job is to keep us and our kids safe. Its what they do and the ACLU can stick it.
This crap needs to stop.
Agreed.
So where did they break the law? Creating and running the websites or putting malware on people’s computers?
This is not entrapment. They certainly didn’t solicit people to their sites. People sought out their sites.
So what laws did they break in conducting this sting. I am against the fast growing police state and I would rather a perp go free than for the government to violate our rights in the process. As far as I am concerned, if they can’t get a conviction legally, then tough. I’m talking domestic police, not military overseas. All bets are off in a war.
So what laws did they break in this sting? I’m not seeing it. What am I missing?
“otherwise presumably innocent”
Hmm, I wouldn’t bet that “otherwise presumably innocent” people make a habit of frequenting pedophilia sites.
These are members-only sites. You would have to apply for membership and convince them that you are a legit pedo in order to even gain access to anything that would be illegal. So, no you wouldn’t accidentally click something and wind up caught in the sting operation.
I agree.
Law enforcement [the entire Justice-system, really] should strive to be impeccable, without reproach.
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