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No, We Should Not Legalize Recreational Marijuana Use
Public Discourse ^ | Oct 18, 2016 | Tim Bradley

Posted on 10/28/2016 2:50:17 PM PDT by fwdude

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To: kaktuskid

I agree there will always be some government agency over marijuana. But the FDA is better than the DEA.


41 posted on 10/28/2016 3:33:10 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: fwdude

IMO, the comparison to alcohol (and how POT is so much worse) is weak.

How many people are killed/maimed - how many families, how many children’s live are impacted - by alcohol abuse?

If we can tolerate the destruction that is alcoholism coupled with the mayhem caused by drunk drivers - and not call for making it illegal (again), I see very little reason why we should continue to engage in the massive effort we have to manage cannabis “criminals”.

Make it legal & tax it.

The alternative? A continued (and never-ending) “war” on drugs, massive incarceration of non-violent “offenders”, and a massive expenditure to keep in place a system that has no end-game, no exit strategy. It’s simply the full employment act for a good portion of our well-meaning drug-enforcement folks - who really need to find something more meaningful to do.

Full disclosure: I don’t use pot in any of it’s forms.


42 posted on 10/28/2016 3:33:39 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: shotgun
I agree with you but I think Trump came out against states legalizing weed..

He said it should be decided state-by-state.

43 posted on 10/28/2016 3:33:55 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: kaktuskid
Another big difference between MJ and alcohol is that self-monitoring is much easier to gauge with alcohol. You can set a limit of one beer, and pretty much know how it will affect you, if at all.

Marijuana is a binary effect - either you are high, or you are not. Certainly by degrees, but nothing like the slowly graduated degrees of alcohol consumption.

44 posted on 10/28/2016 3:35:26 PM PDT by fwdude (If we keep insisting on the lesser of two evils, that is exactly what they will give us from now on.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Yes indeed, tax it like cigarettes are taxed in California! (Thanks again, Meathead!)

Meanwhile, let severely ill cancer (and other) patients have access to medical marijuana, as it greatly eases their pain in *most* cases.


45 posted on 10/28/2016 3:35:35 PM PDT by hold_muh_bier (and watch this: Trump wins in a landslide!)
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To: fwdude
So, collect all the kiddie porn you want, right?

Ridiculous. That involves obvious infringement.

Phony comparison, as expected.

The Revolution is ON!

Vote Trump!

46 posted on 10/28/2016 3:36:29 PM PDT by sargon (The Revolution is ON! Vote Trump!)
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To: mlo

Once it becomes the governments job to make us live our lives “better”, there will be no limit to their power. None.


47 posted on 10/28/2016 3:36:45 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: fwdude
The state's electoral votes went to Democrat Bill Clinton in 1992, Republican Bob Dole in 1996, Republican George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004, and Democrat Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.

Colorado was on the line but they are now dark blue. Pot was legalized in 2012. Any doubt where they are going this time?

48 posted on 10/28/2016 3:37:00 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Ken H
So are you for honoring the 10th Amendment and leaving intrastate pot regulation to the states, yes or no?

Yes.

I think the federal government has no business with drug laws within states. In that regard, I disagree with the author.

But what are we talking about here? The operation of states, or the promotion of laws?

49 posted on 10/28/2016 3:37:28 PM PDT by fwdude (If we keep insisting on the lesser of two evils, that is exactly what they will give us from now on.)
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To: beef
But the FDA is better than the DEA.

What makes you think that the FDA would remain static on this issue. The FDA would morph INTO the DEA in short order.

50 posted on 10/28/2016 3:39:20 PM PDT by fwdude (If we keep insisting on the lesser of two evils, that is exactly what they will give us from now on.)
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To: hold_muh_bier

It is ironic that excessive taxation of tobacco is now drawing organized crime into cigarette smuggling. I think it is called “unintended consequences”.


51 posted on 10/28/2016 3:40:50 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: fwdude
I think the federal government has no business with drug laws within states. In that regard, I disagree with the author.

Glad to hear it.

Any author who urinates on the Constitution should be shamed and scorned. They are cancers on the body politic.

52 posted on 10/28/2016 3:42:17 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: fwdude

This argument is just like the Prohibition arguments of old.


53 posted on 10/28/2016 3:42:48 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
This argument is just like the Prohibition arguments of old.

So? Hash out the Prohibition issue then instead of just throwing it out there, like it's already a settled argument.

54 posted on 10/28/2016 3:44:38 PM PDT by fwdude (If we keep insisting on the lesser of two evils, that is exactly what they will give us from now on.)
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To: fwdude

Friends, FReepers, countrymen, lend me your rear.

Four scores, and seven years ago, our fathers, who art in heaven, hallowed be they name, seeked out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.

As for me, give me liberty or give me wealth. For who will cast the first stone? So Mr. Gorbachev: tear down this law!


55 posted on 10/28/2016 3:44:52 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: fwdude

All drugs should be decriminalized. Why give mj special treatment? It may be shocking to learn but this country didn’t always see fit to be a nanny lording over her children. Any of the law-n-order Freepers want the give the rationale for letting the government have control of what you may or may not do with your own body?


56 posted on 10/28/2016 3:45:03 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: fwdude

Well, I don’t want recreational marijuana, because we have enough accidents on our roadways from people drinking and driving.

Also, on the weekends, I have been watching Animal Planet TV, and they have programs about the Warden Service in Maine and Vermont. Almost every program, they find hidden marijuana groves. And .. I believe they have the recreational program already. So, it does not stop the outsider from starting his own grove; what it does is cause some to go underground because they cannot follow the rules involved with having a legal shop.


57 posted on 10/28/2016 3:47:39 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Peace through Strength)
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To: mlo

What you said. Spend a shift in a busy poor-area emergency room (inner city, rural area, same difference). For every one victim of drugs, or war on drugs, you’ll see ten people who are victims of carbs. Most of the drug victims, frankly, never had much going for them, but when you see churchgoing, hard working, pleasant people in what should be the prime of their lives suffering terribly from diabetes, hypertension, respiratory distress and other correlates of obesity ... it really tears at you. 95% of them would be at a healthy weight, blood sugar and blood pressure after a year <20g carbs/day and could stay that way for decades at <50g carbs a day.


58 posted on 10/28/2016 3:47:47 PM PDT by only1percent ( who)
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To: sargon

George was growing hemp for ROPE, not for smoking.


59 posted on 10/28/2016 3:48:31 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Wow, such a target-rich environment in your comment.

All drugs should be decriminalized.

Do you know what "decriminalized" means? If so, explain.

It may be shocking to learn but this country didn’t always see fit to be a nanny lording over her children.

No, but states do, and should. Many states had, properly, state RELIGIONS that required you to at least honor, if not attend to.

Any of the law-n-order Freepers want the give the rationale for letting the government have control of what you may or may not do with your own body?

Okay, now you just sound like Margaret Sanger.

60 posted on 10/28/2016 3:48:57 PM PDT by fwdude (If we keep insisting on the lesser of two evils, that is exactly what they will give us from now on.)
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