Christian Family Loses Gay Cake Case

http://www.christianheadlines.com ^ | October 24, 2016 | Amanda Casanova

[daniel1212]

The Court of Appeal in Belfast has ruled against the owners of a bakery who appealed their case after they were accused of discrimination for refusing to make a cake with the phrase “Support Gay Marriage.”

Lord Chief Justice Sir Declan Morgan and two senior judges upheld County Court Judge Isobel Brownlie’s ruling that the McArthur family, owners of the Ashers Baking Company, discriminated against Gareth Lee.

The judges said that refusing service because of the slogan could be classified as “direct discrimination.”

“What they may not do is provide a service that only reflects their own political or religious message in relation to sexual orientation,” the judgment said.

In response to the ruling, Deputy Director for Public Affairs for the Christian Institute has called for the law to be changed to protect families like the McArthur family.

Equality laws are there to protect people from discrimination, not to force people to associate themselves with a cause they oppose,” he said.

“But those same laws have become a weapon in the hands of those who want to oppress anyone who dissents from the politically-correct norms of the moment. The law needs to change before more damage is done.”

Said Daniel McArthur, general manager of the bakery: “We’re extremely disappointed with today’s ruling. If equality law means people can be punished for politely refusing to support other people’s causes, then equality law needs to change.

“This ruling undermines democratic freedom,” he continued. “It undermines religious freedom. It undermines free speech.”

[daniel1212]

Thus was not simply a cake, but a cake with a custom message. So if a black signmaker refused to make a sign celebrating a KKK celebration, or a Muslim baker refused to letter a cake celebrating the state of Israel, then these judges would rule the same.

[daniel1212]

The above is somewhat a rhetorical question.

[Talisker]

Black-robed tyranny upturning five thousand years of human civilization, the people be damned.

[kschockeynut87]

So the old “No shirt, no shoes, no service” message is discriminatory in some way? Heck ... shows how old I am.

Seriously. ... it is a business and they can conduct their business anyway they please.

Except there apparently.

[Alberta's Child]

That's the best way to deal with this situation.

Orchestrate a scenario exactly as you describe it. Find an old retiree or someone on public assistance who doesn't have anything to lose to serve as the "Nazi customer" or "KKK customer" and have the bakery fight the battle on those grounds.

Nothing is more effective than using the left's tactics on your own side.

[metmom]

And we all know the answer to that.

[Ray76]

How about someone order a cake depicting a hanged ....

yeah you know the rest. You’d be arrested.

[AppyPappy]

Quickly convert to Islam.

[daniel1212]

In addition: “We had served Mr. Lee before and would be happy to serve him again. The judges accepted that we did not know Mr. Lee was gay and that he was not the reason we declined the order. We have always said it was never about the customer, it was about the message. The court accepted that. But now we are being told we have to promote the message even though it’s against our conscience.” - http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/24/christian-bakery-loses-appeal-gay-cake-discrimination-conviction/

[Alberta's Child]

Or just bake cakes with passages from the Koran on them.

[daniel1212]

Delivering the appeal judgment, Northern Ireland's Lord Chief Justice Sir Declan Morgan said: "The fact that a baker provides a cake for a particular team or portrays witches on a Halloween cake does not indicate any support for either."

Through the legal proceedings, Daniel McArthur, the company's general manager, insisted Mr Lee's sexuality was never an issue, rather the message he wanted the bakery to create.

Ashers, a name with Biblical connotations, has six branches, employs more than 80 people and delivers across the UK and Ireland.

Throughout the legal battle they have been supported by The Christian Institute, which has organised public rallies and garnered financial backing for the case.

Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell criticised the Appeal Court ruling and said it set a "dangerous, authoritarian precedent", claiming gay bakers could now theoretically be compelled to bake cakes carrying "homophobic" slogans. [homophobic in quotes are added].

Ashers Bakery facing £88,000 legal costs The Christian owned bakery which lost its appeal against a discrimination ruling for refusing to bake a cake with a pro-gay marriage slogan is facing an £88,000...

[Scythian_Reborn]

[Scythian_Reborn]

Crap wrong thread !!!

[Blood of Tyrants]

” So if a black signmaker refused to make a sign celebrating a KKK celebration, or a Muslim baker refused to letter a cake celebrating the state of Israel, then these judges would rule the same. “

Sure, they would./s

[rey]

A bit too abstract for me.

[SkyDancer]

But those mussie truck drivers who refused to deliver beer because of, you know, allah and his crowd were awarded hundred of thousands of dollars because they were fired for their religion.

[pgyanke]

“What they may not do is provide a service that only reflects their own political or religious message in relation to sexual orientation,” the judgment said.

Why is that? When did we lose the right to run our own business our own way?

[Milton Miteybad]

The baker should decline to place any written message of any kind on any baked goods, in the interest of avoiding offending anyone. Just sell plain cakes, unadorned with any lettering of any kind. Let the customer put his own message on his cake if he desires. That way, the baker is spared having to put an offensive message on a cake, and the customer has no complaint because the policy of the business will apply to all.

[jch10]

Bake the cake, accidentally add too much salt or not enough sugar. Do sloppy work but act pleased with the result.

Lots of ways to skin a cat.

[Safetgiver]

Or shit in the middle of it. “How did that happen? Bet we’ll never have YOUR business again. Sorry.”