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The Algerian Su-34 Is a Myth
War is Boring ^ | October 24, 2016 | TOM COOPER

Posted on 10/24/2016 6:50:25 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Su-34. Photo via Wikipedia

On Dec. 30, 2015, some Russian media outlets—this one, for example — claimed Algeria had placed an order for powerful, twin-engine Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bombers.

Western observers concluded that the order was a given — and now it’s only a matter of time until the Algerian air force starts operating Su-34s.

No so fast. In fact, the Algerian Su-34 story is mostly rumor and hyperbole.

In the immediate aftermath of the Russian intervention in Syria in late September 2015, world media attention focused on the Russian air force and, in particular, Russia’s photogenic Su-34s.

The reporting had a profound effect on Algerian Vice Minister of Defense Ahmad Gaid Salah.

Salah became so fascinated with the Su-34 that jokes began circulating within Algerian military circles that it was “love at first sight.” Before too long, he asked the Algerian air force to prepare a study of the type and assess the possibility of an acquisition.

Air force officers were quick to prepare a thick file that firmly concluded — the Algerian air force neither needs the $40-million-per-copy Su-34 nor even really wants it. Algiers’ air arm is happy with the Su-30s, MiG-29s and Su-24s it already has.

Undeterred, Salah arranged a conference with Maj. Gen. Abdelkader Lounes, head of the Algerian air force. Salah continued insisting on the Su-34 acquisition even after Lounes reiterated the air force’s opposition to the plane.

Ignoring Lounes and the air force, Salah contacted the Russian air force attaché in Algiers with a request for a single Su-34 “for evaluation purposes.”

Considering Moscow is usually eager to secure lucrative arms orders and that Algeria is generally considered a loyal Russian partner and export customer, it might come as a surprise that, initially, the Russian response was to say no.

But Salah continued insisting, so a delegation from Rosoboronexport eventually visited Algiers in late December 2015 and briefed Salah on the type. This trip is what prompted Russian media to publish sensational reports about the Algerian Su-34.

However, Rosoboronexport’s representatives explained to the Algerians that Moscow is ready to deliver only what they described as an export variant of the Su-34 designated Su-32.

The Algerians’ reaction unequivocal. Having had plenty of negative experiences with various downgraded export versions of Russian arms — and lacking any real interest in the Su-34 anyway — they promptly turned down this offer.

No one from the Algerian or Russian governments was willing to comment this affair, and it remains unclear if the Su-34 variant Moscow offered to Algiers bears any relation to the original Su-32FN, from which the Su-34 was developed.

But one thing is for sure. Algeria never ordered any Su-32s or Su-34s, and probably never will.


TOPICS: Egypt; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: algeria; armsbuildup; russia; su34

1 posted on 10/24/2016 6:50:25 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Looks like they started with an F-14 and went from there.


2 posted on 10/24/2016 6:54:06 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Oberon

F-111ski.


3 posted on 10/24/2016 6:57:08 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ( "Hokahey, today is a good day to die!" Crazy Horse prior to the Battle of Little Big Horn)
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To: Oberon
The F-14 just wasn't, um, manly enough for them.

Methinks they may be overcompensating...

4 posted on 10/24/2016 6:59:05 AM PDT by null and void ("Interfere in elections"="inform voters.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Pardon my ignorance, but what is that long tube between the 2 engines?


5 posted on 10/24/2016 6:59:29 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I’d rather read about Madonna’s efforts to win the election for Hillary.


6 posted on 10/24/2016 7:00:07 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

In “Commie Teal”


7 posted on 10/24/2016 7:00:22 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

In layman’s terms, what is the major difference between the SU-34 and the SU-35? I would think Algeria would upgrade to latest build of SU-35?


8 posted on 10/24/2016 7:00:28 AM PDT by donozark (My thoughts are not very deep. But they are of and inquisitive nature.)
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To: donozark

The Su-34 is primarily a ground attack plane. The SU-35 is mostly a fighter.


9 posted on 10/24/2016 7:04:19 AM PDT by brooklin
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To: Oberon

No, they just reworked their workhorse SU-27.


10 posted on 10/24/2016 7:06:27 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: carriage_hill

Radar and radar warning.


11 posted on 10/24/2016 7:07:07 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

Ok, thanks.
Must get awful toasty for that hardware in there. Heh.


12 posted on 10/24/2016 7:31:24 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

It’s either an aerodynamic fairing or is radar absorbent. Interesting question.


13 posted on 10/24/2016 7:32:28 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: elcid1970

What’s in the white nose cone?


14 posted on 10/24/2016 7:33:30 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Found this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xkro_PgEe74/Ufj8SC7cpwI/AAAAAAAAAqs/po7k8VBMVMU/s1600/SU-35-Cutout.jpg


15 posted on 10/24/2016 7:35:14 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Comrade, I am not Sukhoi pilot but nose cone contain radar is my guess.

I sit in Sukhoi once while in Uzbekistan. Cockpit is what you call boiler room, yes?

;^)


16 posted on 10/24/2016 7:52:10 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: elcid1970

Lotsa stuff on and in that buggy.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xkro_PgEe74/Ufj8SC7cpwI/AAAAAAAAAqs/po7k8VBMVMU/s1600/SU-35-Cutout.jpg


17 posted on 10/24/2016 8:02:01 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The 34s would have to come with Russian pilots or they would be effectively nothing more than fabulously expensive Lear Jets.


18 posted on 10/24/2016 8:27:09 AM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaky)
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To: mad_as_he$$
The F-111ski would by the Sukhoi Su-24. The Sukhoi Su-34 is the F15E Strike Eagleski
19 posted on 10/24/2016 4:47:58 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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