Posted on 10/20/2016 5:06:06 AM PDT by kimtom
BEIJING, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte announced his "separation" from the United States on Thursday, declaring that it had "lost" and he had realigned with China as the two agreed to resolve their South China Sea dispute through talks.
Duterte made his comments in China, where he is visiting with at least 200 business people to pave the way for what he calls a new commercial alliance as relations with longtime ally the United States deteriorate.
His trade secretary, Ramon Lopez, said $13.5 billion in deals would be signed
Duterte's efforts to engage China, months after a tribunal ruling in the Hague over South China Sea disputes in favor of the Philippines, marks a reversal in foreign policy since the 71-year-old former mayor took office on June 30.
"America has lost now," Duterte told Chinese and Philippine business people at a forum in the Great Hall of the People, attended.........
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Check out this 2001 essay on “Transnational Progressivism”
http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/archives_roll/2002_04-06/fonte_ideological/fonte_ideological.html
Mainly in the Philippine neighborhoods where they are actually seeing drug houses being raided, and corrupt officials being arrested.
I'll ask my Pinay fiancees their current opinions. So far I've not detected any change in their support for President Duterte.
I've pinged my PI list to this post so they can respond.
you forget, there are lots of Philippine Chinese that deal with the Chicaps.
Taking some of the work from high wage Pearl River Firms and bringing the jobs to the Philippines is good business
We whom speak positively about Rodrigo Duterte are commenting on a man that is governing his own country .... NOT YOURS.
What I say about Duterte is a personal opinion of a man that is actually DOing something for his country ... and he's doing it damned quickly.
Duterte is of the opinion America can do him no good and will investigate aligning with China.
Piss you off?
Maybe you have deeper issues than what a president of a foreign country is doing FOR his country.
Duterte and Trump are cut from the same cloth ... deal with it.
Stupid Irish, Dumb Germans, Idiot Spaniards, Foolish French, chinky Chinese, damned blacks, filthy freepers ....
Of course its all location, location, location for the Chinese. If they get bases in the PI they can control East Asian trade and put the screws on everyone, including Japan and Korea.
The Phils is cursed - its indefensible without great power level resources, and its in a most inconvenient, strategic spot. A natural target.
The Japs, Koreans, and the US were stupid. They stinted on military aid for the last 15-20 years and this is their reward, the Chinese holding their trade routes.
Yes, but he’s become an enemy of America and an agent of the Chicoms.
Unreal.
The previous Phil administration was extremely effective. The Phils has had record economic growth, personal income is way up, and, amazingly, corruption is down.
Very importantly, election administration was cleaned up to such an extent that a populist like Duterte could be elected in the first place - and it also probably caused the phenomenon of so many candidates splitting the vote.
This last Presidential election was probably the cleanest ever.
The meth(shabu) problem IS a crisis, it was out of control, but it was just one issue in the campaign. It was much more visible in foreign press coverage than in the Phils. Missed in foreign coverage was the matter of the provinces vs Imperal Manila. Duterte was the candidate of the provinces that are tired of kowtowing to the Manila bureaucracy.
You come into my country and give my kids drugs, I will kill you.
For what it’s worth, we still have Guam and Puerto Rico.
Obama succeeded, as you rightly pointed out, in getting away with that which no Republican could hope to accomplish and probably few Democrats could accomplish, because he is in effect not black but Teflon, or better, he is Teflon because he is black.
The media is a pure creation of our educational system and that is producing a groupthink which not just accepts but imposes the Black Lives Matter bigotry on those over whom it has power and influence. America's original sin, slavery compounded by Jim Crow, has provided a historical rationale for leftists to seek and wield power, often corruptly, because they believe we are racists and they are not. Once that fundamental assumption is made, any excess in the exercise of power by the racially righteous must be excused.
So it is that Barack Obama despises the American system because it is a racist system. He can throw out the Constitution, he can discount the sacrifices of the Civil War, he can dismiss the civil rights struggle, he can see the world through the prism of Marxist class analysis, he can rule as an autocrat because he has moral right on his side because he is against the racists.
Once this assumption is made and shared by the products of our educational establishment who go on to staff the media, all of the things we conservatives hold dear are in jeopardy. Our arguments of conscience and reason and elemental justice avail nothing against this mindset. In this atmosphere the black power structure delivers its constituents wholesale to the Democratic Party and that is tolerated by the media because of the mindset.
If there are distortions in the economy, and no doubt there are, we are handcuffed by the establishment who win election after election with the support of the media and the wholesale support of African-Americans. To attack the structure is a dog whistle because it is also at some level to attack African-Americans. Both therefore becoming inviolate.
I am tempted to say that it is not economics which drive this mindset as a rationalization for exploitation by an elite but this mindset has simply been adopted as cover by a corrupt Democrat/elitist power center. Although the corruption of the Democratic Party in its cronyism is certainly contrary to its Marxist analysis, history shows that it is inevitable when the left gets power. Cronyism, corruption and elitism are the always the handmaidens of the left.
But I'm not making a chicken or egg argument here, I am simply saying that the edifice which surrounds and protects the leftist, crony establishment is as firmly entrenched as racial politics in America. One cannot be understood without the other.
I pointed out that I cannot believe that the Chinese are motivated by an earnest desire to do banking business with the Filipinos. The may want to do banking business with the Filipinos but that is hardly motivation for their belligerency in the South China Sea.
Nor do I accept your vocabulary or characterization of my understanding of American interests as being unable to free myself from the Cold War mentality. The hard and irrefutable facts are Russia and China are behaving much as they did when they were frankly communist. Likewise, I do not accept the anti-colonial jargon nor its sweeping assumptions concerning the feelings of the inhabitants of the Third World. In this context let me be perfectly frank, I regard the British Empire as one of the great boons to mankind, a civilizing influence, a force which spread the rule of law, and governments as honest as existed at the time, education opportunities, and trade opportunities. Similarly, I do not accept your characterization of American "colonial" history.
Whatever the motivation in the Philippines for turning their back on the world's strongest military power with the world's greatest economy for a nation which is autocratic, indifferent to human rights, and utterly corrupt, the effect on America is what counts. It would not have occurred had our foreign policy and defense posture not turned into a pathetic muddle.
Hey, you answered what I would have said.
we are lot safer with the druggies on the run and the crooked politicians put on notice.
Obama did nothing to stop China’s aggression, but pushed liberal social issues on the conservatve people here while looking the other way at corruption. And try to clean up corruption and the US is at the head of the SJW crying shame...
BINGO !
The one line I have needed for all these years.
THANX, Nate.
Thank you to all contributors
Whatever the motivation in the Philippines for turning their back on the world’s strongest military power with the world’s greatest economy for a nation which is autocratic, indifferent to human rights, and utterly corrupt, the effect on America is what counts. It would not have occurred had our foreign policy and defense posture not turned into a pathetic muddle.
That's a good question, because it won't come due until China decides a Taiwan grab...
And commensurately, unscheduled 2GO cargo airliners dislodge hundreds of fatigue-wearing PLA (*cough cough* mainland Chinese friends) who are vanned off to 2GO ports in Manila and then ferried to other ports as well.
Duterte - who may be dumb but he's not stupid - promptly sh!ts himself and calls President Trump, who says, "What is your sovereignty worth to you, meathead?"
Recently, I have been pondering along these very lines myself. I perceive much of the media's obsession with race traces back to the Civil War. The puritan based moralism of that region simply wants to continue condemning the people whom they fought in the Civil war, and they do this through the proxy of "race." Whenever anyone mentions "racists", their mental picture is always one of Southern White people whom their biased history has decreed it is acceptable to malign.
The Propaganda of that war, which seems to have actually been fought over economics, is still resonating in the hearts of the "holier than thou" types of today. They are still fighting the propaganda war in the North East, because they still want to justify what they did. (and also hang on to power.)
Once that fundamental assumption is made, any excess in the exercise of power by the racially righteous must be excused.
This sort of behavior used to be called "Waving the Bloody Shirt." That is exactly what they are doing. They think by pointing the finger at others for violating what they now regard as the supreme morality, they will be elevated politically and thereby be given control of the government in which to force their will on others.
The dupes look at this as a moral issue, the canny look at it as a power issue. I think it has always been thus, at least for so long as just prior to the Civil War. In 1861, the economic powers used the moralist passions to build political support for what they needed to do, and they were very successful at it.
I used to think the 24th amendment was passed because it was the right thing to do. The premise is that racist Southerners were keeping black people from voting because they were racist, and the law needed to be changed to stop them from doing this.
Over the last several years I have now realized that the 24th amendment was a bait and switch as well as a cynical grab for political power. Northeastern Liberals perceived that they could pick up 10 million votes or so if they could just get rid of that "Paying taxes" obstacle. They made most of the propaganda about "Poll Taxes", but the concentrated core of the 24th amendment is in the last three words; "Or other tax."
Northeastern Liberals, (Who in those days were "Rockefeller Republicans") expected to pick up a huge political windfall by enfranchising all these non-taxpayers to vote, and they would have done so had Lyndon Johnson not outsmarted them.
So it is that Barack Obama despises the American system because it is a racist system. He can throw out the Constitution, he can discount the sacrifices of the Civil War, he can dismiss the civil rights struggle, he can see the world through the prism of Marxist class analysis, he can rule as an autocrat because he has moral right on his side because he is against the racists.
Exactly right. They justify every abuse they commit under the catch all premise that they have spent years building up to be the supreme moral authority; "Opposition to Racism." It worked in the Civil War, and they have been riding that horse ever since. It is in effect an Alinsky tactic. Since the nation is founded on Christian principles, they have exploited the Christian concept of "equality" and used it as a bludgeon against people who do not practice "equality" in violation of the Christian rule book. "Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules." That this was explicitly a Christian idea has long ago been forgotten and it is now accepted simply because it has social inertia in our culture.
Yes. They justify everything because they are the "moral authority" because they are anti-racism.
Once this assumption is made and shared by the products of our educational establishment who go on to staff the media, all of the things we conservatives hold dear are in jeopardy. Our arguments of conscience and reason and elemental justice avail nothing against this mindset. In this atmosphere the black power structure delivers its constituents wholesale to the Democratic Party and that is tolerated by the media because of the mindset.
The dupes think it is about morality. The canny know it is about power. It works because there are a lot of dupes and the canny know how to herd them in the direction they want them to go. Owning the media makes it possible.
If there are distortions in the economy, and no doubt there are, we are handcuffed by the establishment who win election after election with the support of the media and the wholesale support of African-Americans. To attack the structure is a dog whistle because it is also at some level to attack African-Americans. Both therefore becoming inviolate.
Make the enemy live up to his own book of rules. Now "anti-racism" has become the supreme moral authority which coincidentally keeps this same group of people (Boston-Washington corridor) in power.
I am tempted to say that it is not economics which drive this mindset as a rationalization for exploitation by an elite but this mindset has simply been adopted as cover by a corrupt Democrat/elitist power center.
It is *ALWAYS* about money. The "racism" propaganda is simply used to keep the same people in power so that they can continue to enrich themselves by benefiting from the government policies they create by being in power.
We know it is not actually about "racism" or even "feminism" because when someone who is black or female promotes *our* philosophy or issues, they immediately attack them mercilessly. (Clarence Thomas, Sarah Palin)
The people in control of the media are deliberate liars who keep using their power of voter manipulation to maintain their political power in the government, and it appears this has remained the case since just prior to the Civil War.
It's about "racism" when they say it is. "Racism" is just a tool they use to keep their power.
But I'm not making a chicken or egg argument here, I am simply saying that the edifice which surrounds and protects the leftist, crony establishment is as firmly entrenched as racial politics in America. One cannot be understood without the other. That is how it stands currently. When it no longer works, and it is becoming less and less effective because people are waking up, they will try other things, such as "gender" and "gender identity", but these won't work nearly so well as "racism."
We are still fighting the Civil War, and the players are still the same players. It has just shifted from combat of arms to war by propaganda, and they control the most effective tools of propaganda.
This is why they've been winning for so long.
Mark17, what’s the story?
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