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NBC News: Why Trump's in Trouble: He's Underperforming Romney in 2012
NBC News ^ | October 17, 2016 | Chuck Todd, Mark Murray and Carrie Dann

Posted on 10/17/2016 7:08:57 AM PDT by Zakeet

Our latest national NBC/WSJ poll is bad news for Donald Trump's prospects three weeks out until Election Day, and the problem for him runs deeper than the headline result showing Trump trailing Hillary Clinton by double digits. He's also underperforming Mitt Romney with key parts of the electorate, including women, men, Latinos, whites, and whites with college degrees. Just look at comparison between Trump's standing in our new poll and Romney's eventual standing in the 2012 exit poll:

As NBC/WSJ co-pollster Bill McInturff (R) observes, these numbers in the poll don't align with anyone who has gone on to win a presidential election. So if Trump is going to win with three weeks to go, it will be one of the most dramatic comebacks in the history of American politics.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016polls; mediabias; msm; nbcnews; nbcpoll; romney2012
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To: Zakeet

Anyone can make up poll results and make a pretty graph. Heck, I can do that in 5 minutes.

This is bordering on complete silliness at this point.

Trump is OUT PERFORMING Romney on SO many levels.


41 posted on 10/17/2016 7:39:35 AM PDT by Baldwin77 (They hated Reagan too ! TRUMP TOUGH - AMERICA STRONG)
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To: wtd

Where did you find that and who is it from?!!


42 posted on 10/17/2016 7:40:09 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Nope their explanation will be massive conservative voter fraud. They will push that as the only way their polls could be so wrong.


43 posted on 10/17/2016 7:44:43 AM PDT by Kadric
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To: Zakeet
Romney's eventual standing in the 2012 exit poll

The "eventual" exit poll was D+6, 38-32 - or 18% more Democrats.

Even worse, the results were Obama 51, Romney 47, or 8.5% more Obama voters than Romney in the electorate.

This poll has people who voted Obama 46, Romney 32 - 14 point difference. So they polled 43.75% more Obama voters than Romney voters, when it was only 8.5%.

So they fudges the numbers with 35% more Democrats.
44 posted on 10/17/2016 7:45:37 AM PDT by nhwingut (Trump-Pence 2016 - Blow Up The GOPe)
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To: Zakeet

This would imply that HRC is over-performing Obama. But she isn’t. Both candidates are lower in polling.


45 posted on 10/17/2016 7:50:26 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Zakeet

I call BS


46 posted on 10/17/2016 7:54:31 AM PDT by RaginRak
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To: rockrr
rockrr wrote: Where did you find that and who is it from?!!

47 posted on 10/17/2016 8:03:12 AM PDT by wtd
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To: Zakeet
Voted for Obama 46 .... Voted for Mittens 32. The Poll also included 18 year olds that said they showed strong interest.

dem or leaning 44 .... Repub or leaning 37. And, of course the 2012 an d 2014 turn out models.

48 posted on 10/17/2016 8:03:32 AM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Ef Chuck Todd worked for Chelsea Clinton’s mother-in-law as her PR guy when she was a congresscritter.

He’s just another democRAT masquerading as a urinalist.


49 posted on 10/17/2016 8:03:33 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Zakeet
NBC have made themselves prominent in the Clinton/Obama cabal. Here is what I have been working on this weekend:

How Can Any American?

How can any American support a woman, running for President, who does not respect the stated purpose of the Constitution, she has repeatedly sworn to preserve? The Preamble to the Constitution states that purpose:

We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Our "posterity," of course, are our lineal descendants. A purpose that is 100% consistent with Donald Trump's call to put America First. It is 100% consistent with the Fifth Commandment, and traditional Western values, in general. Mrs. Clinton's call for open borders, and the failure to properly vet immigrants from lands with very different value systems, is 100% inconsistent with the Constitutional purpose.

How can any American refuse to vote for Donald Trump, who not only understands & accepts what the Constitution requires. He strenuously exposes Mrs. Clinton on issue after issue!

Trump is willing to risk a lifetime of success--his whole career & fortune--to take on a corrupt media, that tries in every unfair, intellectually dishonest, way to cover up Mrs. Clinton's crimes and repeated acts of betrayal, in order to stand for us, our Constitution and our clear interests, on a host of vital issues. Consider:

1. Trump supports and has been endorsed by the border guards. Mrs. Clinton has shown only disdain for those trying to keep America safe from a flood of unauthorized invaders.

2. Trump supports the rights of Americans to efficiently arm themselves, both for their own protection and for the protection of America! Mrs. Clinton has repeatedly sought means to disarm American families.

3. Trump has supported local Police in violent confrontations with neighborhood thugs; while Mrs. Clinton & Obama have allied themselves with virulently anti Police groups--some funded by George Soros--groups determined to deny their law abiding neighbors, the Police protection, necessary to make those neighborhoods safe.

4. Trump understands that making any neighborhood safe, is the key to increasing constructive activity in such neighborhood;--the key to people being able to start local businesses, with some hope of success; the key to better job opportunities, better credit ratings, etc. Mrs. Clinton has shown herself more intent on encouraging and supporting those Soros funded groups.

5. Donald Trump supports all forms of American energy production! He wants to let the coal miners get back to work; to take advantage of improved technology that allows a cleaner use of coal. Mrs. Clinton has insulted the coal miners, by refusing to help them get back to work, while she patronizes them; offering them a new dependence on even more Governmental meddling.

6. Returning to the Constitution--the solemn compact (or contract) that authorizes us to even have a Federal Government;--the charter, that once--when truly honored--made us the envy of the earth:

Donald Trump has pledged to appoint only those who honor the clear intent of that charter, to the Federal Judiciary. Mrs. Clinton has promised to only appoint Judges who agree with her ghoulish view of Feminist issues: such as the idea that it is O.K. for a woman--on mere whim--to have a healthy, already half born baby, killed in cold blood, in something euphemistically labeled a "partial birth abortion!"

7. Donald Trump, daily addresses great rallies, to discuss these and other vital issues; such as the damage to American workers & communities, resulting from trade deals, and immigration policies, that do not protect our rooted population. Mrs. Clinton has avoided in depth discussion of issues; preferring, instead, an incessant attack on Donald Trump's personality; his tone; his supporters;--in each case misrepresenting the same by a combination of lies, cherry picked but misleading data, gross exaggerations, and citations of spurious media smears, engineered by a slavish press, which covers up actual crimes, in a blind, but determined, support for the perpetrator.

Under such circumstances: How can any American vote for Mrs. Clinton? How can any American refuse to vote for Donald Trump?

Note further: There are thousands of organizations, some Faith based (both evangelical & social); some secular, but ideological; some based on Humanist arrogance (Return To Babel). Among them there is something to represent just about any imagined human interest. Our written Constitution is the sole organizational effort focused solely on the interests of the rooted American. How dare any American betray or trivialize our organization; the Constitutional Republic, as it was intended by the Fathers, who won it for their posterity?! How can any American refuse to vote for Donald Trump?

May the living God Bless all those who understand what is truly at stake!

William Flax

50 posted on 10/17/2016 8:08:53 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Zakeet

Why do you post this propaganda? There are pro Trump sites that don’t allow this kind of garbage. Are you attempting to drive people to those sites?


51 posted on 10/17/2016 8:11:40 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Zakeet

Another NBC hit piece?


52 posted on 10/17/2016 8:19:11 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: alloysteel

Great point, and I have to tell you, I saw no public evidence of Blacks or Hispanics supporting Romney in 2012.

This election cycle I’ve seen more of it than I have in my lifetime. Many are supporting Trump publicly.

So the media can spin all they like, the evidence is out there that they are lying.


53 posted on 10/17/2016 8:30:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (23 days: Until Presdient Pre-elect becomes President Elect Donald J. Trump. Help is on the way!)
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To: mrs9x

And you just know that Chuck Todd is not in the tank for Helliry. I would like to say something nasty, guess I better not.


54 posted on 10/17/2016 8:50:48 AM PDT by N9841A
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To: Zakeet

Set aside, for a moment, the current crooked poll.
Why are they comparing to the 2012 EXIT poll???
Should the not compare to final actual results??


55 posted on 10/17/2016 8:53:53 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: wtd

Thank you!


56 posted on 10/17/2016 9:01:05 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Ouderkirk
No, actually it was Jake Tapper who was press secretary to Chelsea's mother-in-law, former congresswoman Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky (D-PA).
57 posted on 10/17/2016 9:01:46 AM PDT by realEmperorNorton (Trump 2016 - Is This America, or What?)
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To: realEmperorNorton

Eff Chuck Toad, Jake Tapper...who can tell them apart?

I was confused that Eff Chuck Toad worked for Tom “Dung Heap” Harkin as opposed to Margolies-Mezvinski.

No shame with this bunch.


58 posted on 10/17/2016 10:00:05 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Leo Carpathian

59 posted on 10/17/2016 11:24:42 AM PDT by Zakeet (Before this is over, they'll be hunting Democrats with dogs)
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