Posted on 10/08/2016 5:02:00 AM PDT by daniel1212
More than half of all U.S. Catholics (52 percent) would cast a vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton if the election were held today, compared to just 32 percent for Republican Donald J. Trump...
More than three in four (76 percent) non-white and Hispanic Catholics would pick Clinton, with 13 percent choosing Trump.
Among white non-Hispanic Catholics, Clinton holds a much smaller lead, 44 percent to 41 percent....
Six in 10 (62 percent) white evangelicals say they would vote for Trump today, while 47 percent of white mainline Protestants pick Trump.
That comes from a new survey by the Public Religion Research Institute, whose findings mirror a similar poll conducted earlier this summer by the Pew Research Center.
Trump’s trouble with Catholic voters was foreshadowed during the primary season, when a group of reliably conservative Catholics urged their fellow believers in the Republican Party to resist Trump, even after he had all but sewn up the nomination.
Those concerns were renewed this week when The Hill reported on comments made by the newly tapped C.E.O of the Trump campaign, Stephen Bannon. The former head of the conservative website Breitbart News had accused the Catholic Church of supporting immigration reform only to boost its own membership.
“I understand why Catholics want as many Hispanics in this country as possible, because the church is dying in this country, right? If it was not for the Hispanics,” he said in March during a radio interview with Princeton University Professor Robert George..
Nearly seven in 10 (68 percent) of U.S. Catholics say they support same-sex marriage, up from just 35 percent in 2003. At the same time, Catholics are about split when asked if support for same-sex marriage goes against their religious beliefs (45 percent say that it does)... of the Catholic “Never Trump” movement.
About six in 10 Catholics (63 percent) say businesses should not be allowed to refuse services to gays and lesbians based on religious objections.
When it comes to how friendly religious institutions are to L.G.B.T. people, Catholics think better of their church than the American public does. Almost half of all Americans consider the Catholic Church to be “somewhat or very unfriendly” to L.G.B.T. people, with 35 percent seeing the Catholic Church as friendly.
The numbers are switched for Catholics, with 49 percent saying the church is friendly and 45 percent who say it is not.
While U.S. bishops have made fighting same-sex marriage a priority for several years, just 37 percent of Catholics report hearing the issue discussed by their priest in the past few months.
Good, but it will not change the past and the abundant consistent substantiation that Catholicism is largely or almost liberal as a majority. These are your brethren whom Rome owns, and so must you to be consistent with leadership overall.
Based upon Rome's manifest treatment of such, showing how she understands RC teaching, or your interpretation of RC teaching?
Again, based upon Rome's manifest treatment of such, showing how she understands RC teaching, or your interpretation of RC teaching?
That's just not the case in real life. The ones I was referring to are the very ones you claim SHOULD be voting conservative, and yet those who voted liberal WERE the mass going, more than weekly, sacrament participating Catholics.
They took all the other aspects of their faith seriously. Except voting.
I could have cited Pew instead, or a host of research orgs which consistently have found the same basic findings overall. Recourse to the bias apologetic, though expected, is simply invalid.
I love it when totally fallen away Catholics, now totally protestant, tell everyone what they ‘know’ to be the absolute truth about what a Catholic is, what he thinks, what it takes to be a member of the ‘Catholic club’, and who gets to define what.
Based upon actual Catholic teachings and its manifest meanings, we can do that, like as we can do with Islam. It is RCs who disallow RC teaching and members based upon their interpretation of Catholic teachings and its manifest meanings that have a problem with this.
Can you post that poll that the Catholic church did itself that showed much the same thing?
I remember when they did that poll. Nobody can cry *bias* when the RCC itself did the poll.
When I ask a Catholic to their face why he or she votes for democrats in light of the democratic platform on abortion and they respond with:
QUOTE “Because the democrats are for the poor” UNQUOTE;
and
QUOTE “I know what the Catholic church teaches about abortion but nobody has the right to tell a woman what she can do with her own body” UNQUOTE
they themselves are telling me what they think. It’s not me mind reading or presuming to know or guessing. It’s me relating what they told me themselves to my face.
You = fail.
Which NT church is revealed in Acts onward, which is interpretive of the gospels, and which did not teach perpetual ensured magisterial infallibility, which is unseen and unnecessary in the life of the church;
Nor did it have a separate class of believers distinctively called "saints" or distinctively titled "priests," offering up "real" flesh and blood as a sacrifice for sin, which is to be literally consumed in order to obtain spiritual life.
Nor is it otherwise Scripturally manifest in the life of the church as being the sacrament around which all else revolves, and the "source and summit of the Christian faith," "in which our redemption is accomplished."
Nor is the NT church manifest as looking to Peter as the first of a line of exalted infallible popes reigning over the church from Rome (which even Catholic scholarship provides testimony against), and praying to created beings in Heaven, and expecting to endure postmortem purifying torments in order to become good enough to enter Heaven, and saying prayers to obtain early release from it, and requiring clerical celibacy as the norm, among other things.
No wonder Catholics rely on amorphous "oral tradition," for under the premise of magisterial infallibility all sorts of fables can be chanelled into binding doctrine, even claiming to "remember" an extraScriptural event which lacks even early historical testimony, and was opposed by RC scholars themselves the world over as being apostolic tradition.
LOL- unlike you and your anti-Catholic bigotry I can think for myself...claiming that somehow I must be consistent with the leadership of the Catholic church is akin to saying you are nothing more than a shill for ryan, boehner and mcconnell...
you lose again...
Excerpts:
Click on the http://www.thearda.com/Archive/Files/Codebooks/CATH2011_CB.asp Codebook for results, and see under Downlands for Complete codebook with frequencies and percentages.
Below are some of the results from that text file To be concise, I did not include the number of Refused, or the numbers of respondents, leaving the percentages, and after the first question in each section I kept redundancy down by providing the question without repeating the prior description. .
23) Q2K
As a Catholic, how important is each of the following to you? Would you say the following is or are very important, somewhat important, or not important at all? The Catholic Church’s teachings that oppose same sex marriage
1) Very important 34.5
2) Somewhat important 26.4
3) Not important at all 38.3
24) Q2L
As a Catholic, how important is each of the following to you? Would you say the following is or are very important, somewhat important, or not important at all? The Catholic Church’s teachings that oppose abortion
1) Very important 40.3
2) Somewhat important 30.0
3) Not important at all 28.6
25) Q3A
How a person lives is more important than whether he or she is Catholic.
1) Strongly agree 55.2
4) Strongly disagree 4.0
32) Q4B
Next, we are interested in your opinions on several issues that involve the moral authority in the Catholic Church. In each case we would like to know who you think should have the final say about what is right or wrong... A Catholic practicing contraceptive birth control
1) Church leaders 10.4
2) Individuals 65.5
3) Both 23.0
33) Q4C...
A Catholic advocating free choice regarding abortion
1) Church leaders 18.1
2) Individuals 52.0
3) Both 28.6
34) Q4D..
A Catholic who engages in homosexual activity
1) Church leaders 16.4
2) Individuals 55.5
3) Both 26.6
35) Q4E..
Sexual relations outside of marriage
1) Church leaders 15.3
2) Individuals 54.6
3) Both 28.8
43) Q8
Catholic bishops often speak out about politics and elections, as well as about policy issues like health care, abortion, immigration, and foreign affairs. Which one of the following best describes how you typically respond to bishops’ statements in these areas?
1) The bishops’ views are irrelevant to my thinking about politics and public policy 31.5
2) I consider what the bishops have to say about politics and public policy, but ultimately I make up my own mind 59.1
3) I try to follow the bishops’ guidance and instructions on political and public policy matters 8.2
46) Q9C...
agree/disagree with the American bishops on each of the following issues. Opposition to same-sex marriage
1) Strongly agree 30.2
2) Somewhat agree 20.0
3) Somewhat disagree 24.7
4) Strongly disagree 23.9
47) Q10A
Do you support or oppose women in the following roles in the Church? Altar server
1) Support 90.7
2) Oppose 8.0
48) Q10B
Do you support or oppose women in the following roles in the Church? Reader at Mass (Lector)
1) Support 95.1
2) Oppose 3.7
49) Q10C
women...Eucharistic minister
1) Support 89.0
2) Oppose 10.0
50) Q10D..
women..Director of Religious Education
1) Support 94.7
2) Oppose 4.0
51) Q10E
women...Youth minister
1) Support 91.8
2) Oppose 6.7
52) Q10F
women...Deacon
1) Support 75.2
2) Oppose 23.0
53) Q10G
women...Parish administrator.
1) Support 92.4
2) Oppose 6.4
54) Q10H
women...Priest1)
Support 59.8
2) Oppose 38.1
55) Q11A..
Please indicate whether you strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, or strongly disagree with each of the following. More government funds to provide health care for poor children
1) Strongly agree 44.1
2) Somewhat agree 37.4
3) Somewhat disagree 14.4
4) Strongly disagree 3.0
58) Q11D..
Reduced spending on nuclear weapons
1) Strongly agree 41.1
2) Somewhat agree 40.9
3) Somewhat disagree 12.1
4) Strongly disagree 4.6
60) Q12A
The following statements deal with what you think it takes to be a good Catholic. Please indicate if you think a person can be a good Catholic without performing these actions or affirming these beliefs. Can a person be a good Catholic: Without going to church every Sunday?
1) Yes, can be a good Catholic 76.1
2) No, cannot be a good Catholic 22.2
61) Q12B...
Without obeying the Church hierarchy's teaching on birth control?
1) Yes, can be a good Catholic 77.4
2) No, cannot be a good Catholic 21.2
62) Q12C...
Without obeying the Church hierarchy's teaching on divorce and remarriage?
1) Yes, can be a good Catholic 69.4
2) No, cannot be a good Catholic 28.8
63) Q12D..
Without obeying the Church hierarchy's teaching regarding abortion?
64) Q12E..
Without believing that in the Mass, the bread and wine really become the body and blood of Jesus?
1) Yes, can be a good Catholic 37.0
2) No, cannot be a good Catholic 61.5
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65) Q12F. Without their marriage being approved by the Catholic Church? 1) Yes, can be a good Catholic 70.5 2) No, cannot be a good Catholic 28.2
66) Q12G.. Without donating time or money to help the poor? 1) Yes, can be a good Catholic 59.4 2) No, cannot be a good Catholic 39.0
68) Q12I.. Without believing that Jesus physically rose from the dead? 1) Yes, can be a good Catholic 29.8 2) No, cannot be a good Catholic 68.9
69) Q13A.. the Catholic laity should have the right to participate in deciding how parish income should be spent. 1) Should 78.4 2) Should not 19.9
71) Q13C.. the Catholic laity should have the right to participate in selecting the priests for their parish. 1) Should 69.6 2) Should not 28.4
72) Q13D... the Catholic laity should have the right to participate in deciding about parish closings. 1) Should 1058 73.4 2) Should not 357 24.8
73) Q13E.. the Catholic laity should have the right to participate in deciding whether women should be ordained to the priesthood. 1) Should 58.5 2) Should not 39.5
74) Q14 How important is the Catholic Church to you personally? 1) The most important part of my life 9.4 2) Among the most important parts of my life 28.1 3) Quite important to me, but so are many other areas of my life 39.7 4) Not terribly important to me 17.3 5) Not very important to me at all 4.6
76) Q15B How meaningful is each of these aspects of Catholicism to you personally? The fact that the Church today is part of an unbroken tradition going back to the apostles 1) Very meaningful 46.7 2) Somewhat meaningful 32.8 3) Only a little meaningful 13.3 4) Not at all meaningful 5.5
81) Q15FG How meaningful is each of these aspects of Catholicism to you personally? The papacy 1) Very meaningful 35.4 2) Somewhat meaningful 35.1 3) Only a little meaningful 19.9 4) Not at all meaningful 7.0
82) Q15H How meaningful is each of these aspects of Catholicism to you personally? The fact that Catholics can disagree with aspects of church teaching and still remain loyal to the Church 1) Very meaningful 49.5 2) Somewhat meaningful 35.1 3) Only a little meaningful 9.3 4) Not at all meaningful 4.2
84) Q16 Aside from weddings and funerals, about how often do you attend Mass? [note that the ones getting the poll were likely ones attending mass] 1) At least once a week 31.8 2) Two or three times a month 13.5 3) About once a month 8.7 4) A few times a year 24.1 5) Seldom or never 21.1
85) Q17 How regularly do you pray, apart from Mass? 1) More than once a day 14.6 2) Daily 37.2 3) Occasionally or sometimes 38.3 4) Seldom or never 8.9
86) Q18 Which of the following statements best describes the Catholic teaching about the bread and wine used for communion? [compare with question117, Q25D] 1) The bread and wine really become the body and blood of Jesus Christ. 49.9 2) The bread and wine are only symbols of the body and blood of Jesus Christ. 48.5
92) Q19F People go to church for different reasons. Please indicate whether or not each of the following is an important reason you go to church. I feel a need to receive the sacrament of Holy Communion 1) Yes, important reason 81.6 2) Not an important reason 17.5
100) Q20H Please indicate whether or not each of the following is an important reason you don't attend church more often. Just not a religious person 1) Yes, important reason 41.3 2) Not an important reason 57.5 Missing 790
115) Q25B Which, if any, of the following do you believe in? Do you believe in spiritual energy located in physical things, such as mountains, trees or crystals? 1) Yes, believe 40.7 2) No, don’t believe 57.5
116) Q25C Which, if any, of the following do you believe in? Do you believe in yoga, not just as exercise, but as a spiritual practice? 1) Yes, believe 31.7 2) No, don’t believe 66.7
117) Q25D Which, if any, of the following do you believe in? Do you believe that at the Consecration during a Catholic Mass, the bread and wine really become the body and blood of Jesus Christ? 1) Yes, believe 61.0 2) No, don’t believe 37.4
128) Q27A Now here are four statements about the priesthood. After each, please indicate whether you strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, or strongly disagree. It would be a good thing if priests who have married were allowed to return to active ministry. 1) Strongly agree 37.5 2) Somewhat agree 33.4 3) Somewhat disagree 12.8 4) Strongly disagree 14.4
129) Q27B.. It would be a good thing if married men were allowed to be ordained as priests. 1) Strongly agree 36.1 2) Somewhat agree 31.5 3) Somewhat disagree 13.7 4) Strongly disagree 16.9
133) Q29 Do you personally know anyone who was abused by a priest? 1) Yes 6.4 2) No 92.4
138) Q34 How would you rate the job your local bishop has done in handling accusations of sexual abuse by priests? 1) Excellent 8.6 2) Good 32.8 3) Fair 38.7 4) Poor 17.5
139) Q35 Was your current marriage approved by the Catholic Church as a valid marriage? 1) Yes 68.9 2) No 29.6 Missing 648
171) DERIVED: Political party affiliation (7 categories) (PARTYID7) TOTAL % 1) Strong Republican 167 11.7 2) Not strong Republican 146 10.2 3) Leans Republican 261 18.3 4) Undecided/Independent/Other 36 2.5 5) Leans Democrat 300 21.1 6) Not strong Democrat 263 18.5 7) Strong Democrat 252 17.7
176) Aside from weddings and funerals, about how often do you attend Mass? (Recoded for use with online analysis) (I-ATTEND) TOTAL % 1) At least once a week 30.8 2) One to three times a month 21.9 3) A few times a year 24.4 4) Seldom or never 23 |
of course he can’t and if he could he wouldn’t unless it furthers his anti-Catholic bias...i’ve posted evidence the polls he points to were completed by far left wingers yet he uses them as “evidence”....i’m sure you and others are like me and starting to believe this guy is from the DU and here to shill for clinton/obama...
Know the Jesuit liberal theology very well - my kids and most of my family went to Marquette, Xavier, Loyola... All of these “Catholic” schools are so Liberal they have lost their original mission of high quality education.
We know many Jesuits Priests who are extremely far left and very proud of it. This has effected many generations of students at Jesuits Colleges and pretty well brain washed them into adulthood. Liberal slant to the polling not a surprise.
Not going to get into a discussion of church doctrine, suffice it to say imho.
5.56mm
I'm sure Kim Davis doesn't, either. The @sshole federal judge who threw her in jail was appointed by none other than George W. Bush.
He just did.
And I knew he could because I’ve seen the poll results before.
Do you really think that accusing dan of being a shill from DU is enough to get him banned?
Your engaging in liberal tactics only further reinforces his point.
yes...he posted a poll from 2011 after i destroyed his earlier sources- a sign of desperation...the only liberal tactics in this thread is the omnipresent Catholic bashing from the thread starter and the belief that Catholics automatically play follow the leader...
My point us that you seem to be trying, as an activity in which you expend a great deal of time and effort, to impugn FR Catholics as being not authentic conservatives. You are using defamation by association, as an extention of your silly efforts in the poisonous Religion subforum to “explain” Catholic doctrine. Why don’t spend some of that time doing something that might actually please Christ?
However, catholic voting patterns suggest catholics to follow the leader.
| Yr | D | R | ||
| 1952 | 56% | 44% | ||
| 1956 | 51% | 49% | ||
| 1960 | 78% | 22% | Kennedy | |
| 1964 | 76% | 24% | LBJ | |
| 1968 | 59% | 33% | ||
| 1972 | 48% | 52% | ||
| 1976 | 57% | 41% | Carter | |
| 1980 | 46% | 47% | ||
| 1984 | 39% | 61% | ||
| 1988 | 51% | 49% | ||
| 1992 | 47% | 35% | Clinton | |
| 1996 | 55% | 35% | Clinton | |
| 2000 | 52% | 46% | ||
| 2004 | 52% | 48% | ||
| 2008 | 53% | 47% | Obama | |
| 2012 | 56% | 44% | Obama |
LOL- of the 16 examples you posted Catholics went rat 7 times including voting for a Catholic who today would be a Republican (Kennedy), a post Watergate election (after voting for Nixon twice) and post financial crisis election....
since you believe Catholics were following their leaders were Catholic leaders pushing for Nixon in ‘68? Reagan in ‘80? GWB in ‘00 and ‘04???
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