Posted on 10/04/2016 6:52:56 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
Let’s review Alinsky.
His primary interest was gaining power for its own sake by means of overthrowing established societal order and morality.
Yes! You are right. We have books. We don’t have full time teachers and professional political and social activists to win the mind control game with the public who follows the loudest voice and power. Billionaires seem to all be globalists.
We don’t have a united American-American or even Christian tribal power, either. It is all scattered with confusion and evil division by the radicals. I really don’t want to lower myself to white tribal power as we would be as mean as BLM and the rest of the race tribalists and defeat the whole purpose.
But we do have God. The ending of this story is told in the Bible and God wins.
>>His primary interest was gaining power for its own sake by means of overthrowing established societal order and morality.
Throw out the ideology in the book. Read it and understand it so you understand the true meanings of the enemy’s words, but discard it as part of your strategy for victory. Then, look around.
Progressivism IS the present day societal order. I wouldn’t say that Alinsky’s Rules would be appropriate for a decent citizen in 1956, but in today’s corrupt, amoral society, it is the only way to fight them.
Come at them with virtuous morality and they throw the rule in your face that says to hold enemies to their own standards. Then, they find someone on your side who has broke your morals and they discredit YOU.
The morality of today’s America is amorality, so yes, overthrow it. The power is in the hands of the elites and they use the media, education, the law, and the brown-skinned people as weapons, so yes, overthrow that. Take the power for OUR OWN SAKE.
Or stop pretending to care, because not fighting them on their terms and being better at it than them is just losing by attrition. Remember that the enemy isn’t just some politician. It is your neighbor, a co-worker, even your own child. Their vision of America is equal poverty because they are too stupid to understand that socialism does not spread wealth. It only spreads poverty. Be a radical. It means “to the root” you know. Go to the root of what America is and what it should be and use their own tactics to defeat them.
>>It requires lying and deceiving.
It does when you use the rules with their ideology that is based on lies. You can use the same rules with truth and logical jiu-jitsu to throw their own lies back at them.
No, you’re wrong and here’s why.
Progressivism’s number one goal has been not to overthrow America, or the free market system or “virtuous morality.”
Progressivism’s goal has been to overthrow God. And progressivist philosophers have recognized that in order to overthrow God, they first have to destroy language, even truth itself.
But their postmodernist and PC advances over language have been a Pyrrhic victory for the following reason: everything and everyone are still subject to truth.
So Alinskyism falls not under the weight of its own strategies, but—same as Alinsky’s favorite radical—under the power of truth.
>>No, you’re wrong and here’s why.
>>Progressivism’s number one goal has been not to overthrow America, or the free market system or “virtuous morality.”
>>Progressivism’s goal has been to overthrow God.
I’m not wrong about that because I didn’t address it in my post. It wasn’t relevant to the discussion of TACTICS. But, since you brought it up, you are right. Progressivism is about humanism, post-modernism, existentialism, whatever. Man has been trying to overthrow God in the Christian era for centuries.
>>And progressivist philosophers have recognized that in order to overthrow God, they first have to destroy language, even truth itself.
So your plan is prayer? Good luck with that. The United States of America is not in any end-times prophecies. Jesus does not save nations. He saves individuals. The US as an entire nation will not “turn to God” because this nation worships idols. The individual Christian needs to know that there will be no help from the USA or the people of the USA. Fortunately, Jesus is enough.
Unfortunately, as we saw during the primary, a lot of people think there can be this “rebirth as a Christian nation”. I think they want this because they don’t want to go against the culture any more. They want their faith to be easy and mainstream. It doesn’t work that way. It only gets harder from here. The persecution is real in this world. Just because it isn’t in the USA doesn’t mean that we aren’t in the time of tribulations. They will come here. Your faith will be tested as no one in western civilization has been tested in a very long time.
I’m not talking about my faith, or about prayer, or about America’s role in the “end times.”
I’m simply pointing out that the Alinsky strategy is a losing one because its ultimate goal, the destruction of truth, is impossible.
That's not anywhere near to being true.
To go off topic, many of the early progressives were ardently faithful, many of them being christian socialists and even active church leaders with their own congregations.
Woodrow Wilson, Norman Thomas, George D. Herron, Reinhold Niebuhr, Theodore Roosevelt, Richard T. Ely, Walter Rauschenbusch, Father Edward McGlynn, Father Coughlin, Charles Sheldon, and Edward Bellamy and his cousin Francis Bellamy.
Even to this day, there are people like the Reverend Jim Wallis, Father Pfleger, and James H. Cone creeping around. I think you and I are probably in agreement that their theology is a perversion of God's word, but they don't think it is. They think they're doing his work, they don't think they're overthrowing.
To stay on topic, Saul Alinsky is generally known as the father of community organizing. Specifically, he is the father of "congregation based" community organizing. When Alinsky wanted to make his point, often times the first place he went to gather the troops were to his social gospel pals and the churches they led. Churches full of progressives.
And progressivist philosophers have recognized that in order to overthrow God, they first have to destroy language, even truth itself.
I would appreciate what books these were written, speeches said, what page number or paragraph number, etc.
On this second part, I'm not challenging you because I think you're incorrect, I genuinely don't know where to look and would like to know where to look.
God is God. He cannot be replaced with some other entity by the progressivists. And truth cannot be flipped over backwards and inside out by them, either. It just can’t happen. This is their undoing.
Asking for paragraphs and page numbers is a bit cheeky of you, but look into Hegel, Heidegger, Nietzsche, Marx, Foucault and Derrida among others, and throw in a bit of Camus.
>>Progressivism’s goal has been to overthrow God.”
>>That’s not anywhere near to being true.
>>To go off topic, many of the early progressives were ardently faithful, many of them being christian socialists and even active church leaders with their own congregations.
Progressivism is a hard thing to pin down because it attracts people who are not truly Progressive. The heart of Progressivism is Humanism, the belief that man can be elevated to a higher level through his own enlightenment. This alone is the proof that it seeks to overthrow God.
But Social Gospel Christians are attracted to the surface of Progressivism because they agree with many of their superficial teachings: feed the poor and such.
>>Even to this day, there are people like the Reverend Jim Wallis, Father Pfleger, and James H. Cone creeping around. I think you and I are probably in agreement that their theology is a perversion of God’s word, but they don’t think it is. They think they’re doing his work, they don’t think they’re overthrowing.
Just because someone thinks that they are doing God’s work doesn’t mean that they are glorifying God. In many cases, they see themselves as doing the work that God should be doing, and the implication that follows is, “if he would or could”.
>>And progressivist philosophers have recognized that in order to overthrow God, they first have to destroy language, even truth itself.
>>I would appreciate what books these were written, speeches said, what page number or paragraph number, etc.
>>On this second part, I’m not challenging you because I think you’re incorrect, I genuinely don’t know where to look and would like to know where to look.
Sometime you have to read a lot of things to understand the truth, especially when dealing with Progressives because they don’t admit to anything. I read The Progressive magazine for many years to get inside their head. They consider that to be a safe space and they’ll speak the truth in there. So if you want citations, start with the 100th anniversary issue of The Progressive (April 2009). It gives a great synopsis of the goals of the Progressive Movement for the last century and how little it has evolved from the original goals. Their tactics change, largely thanks to people like Alinsky, but the goals remain unchanged.
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