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Yellen Puts 50 Percent Tax on Retirement
http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/JohnMauldin/fed-tax-retirement-plan/2016/09/28/id/750674/ ^

Posted on 10/01/2016 7:14:52 AM PDT by LouAvul

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To: trebb

See my post #20. We’re on the same page.


21 posted on 10/01/2016 10:01:12 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: LouAvul; All

Don’t worry Folks,Legislation has already been Passed and Signed into LAW to Save the Financial System(Casino).

New Law Would Make Taxpayers Potentially Liable For TRILLIONS In Derivatives Losses

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/new-law-make-taxpayers-potentially-liable-trillions-derivatives-losses


22 posted on 10/01/2016 11:03:25 AM PDT by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: LouAvul

She is such an idiot. We all thought maybe she might work out, but no.


23 posted on 10/01/2016 11:04:48 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: vette6387

Yep - we’re among the lucky ones who not only planned but are able to “suck it up” a little as things head south.


24 posted on 10/01/2016 11:05:29 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Rusty0604

He said all “money interest”...not market or stock investment interest..as in banks.


25 posted on 10/01/2016 11:07:37 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (BEWARE THE ABORTION POLITICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!)
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To: trebb

Any fund you invest in eventually needs the means with which you can convert them into some type of cash or funds to live on...and the value of such a fund depends on what the investment object is worth for someone to want to buy it for you to get cash with it. Even a fund such as yours is vulnerable to macro economic shocks, market values, and the inflation rate. No investment gimmick is a perpetual money making machine!


26 posted on 10/01/2016 11:16:21 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (BEWARE THE ABORTION POLITICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!)
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To: TheNext

Your economic instincts sound Communist


27 posted on 10/01/2016 11:18:39 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (when the MSM wants your opinion, they will give it to you Leary is this)
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To: LouAvul

The Federal Reserve serves as the Federal Govt’s taxpayer arm of crony capitalism for the Wall Street interests. Taxpayers continue to subsidize Wall St risk where oligarchs get rich enough to corrupt and buy our politicians with their pocket change.


28 posted on 10/01/2016 11:26:03 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Political correctness should be defined as news media that exposes political corruption)
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To: LouAvul
So, Little People's retirements are getting farcked by artificially low interest rates? Well, they shouldn't worry. After all, there will always be Social Security to fall back on!

Oh, wait...

29 posted on 10/01/2016 11:43:58 AM PDT by Gritty (This election is our last chance... We won't get another opportunity. It will be too late.-DJTrump)
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To: vette6387
I've complained about low interest rates many times on this board. Here's my take on the issue. I retired with the expectation that I'd receive a certain amount of interest income on my CD's and elite checking accounts (the ones where you have to maintain a big balance.) Also that I'd receive a Cost of Living Adjustment, as we always have, in my federal retirement check. (I'm not eligible for Social Security because I don't have enough quarters. The majority of my working time was under the Civil Service Retirement System, which gives me a federal retirement check. If I would ever become eligible for Social Security by gaining more quarters from working, then due to the Government Pension Offset, 60% of my Social Security check would revert to the government.)

So you can see, a little interest income would have been very helpful to me. I don't fully understand why the government is doing this to savers like me, that Obama has denied us interest income and Obama has denied us a COLA in three of the eight years of his presidency, but the Lord God Almighty hears the cries of his people for help as we cry out to him for fairness and justice.

30 posted on 10/01/2016 11:50:25 AM PDT by Ciexyz (After eight years of Obama, I can't afford to buy nothin'.)
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To: Rusty0604; Red in Blue PA

In the current worst economy in a century, houses STILL cost 3.5APR percent. That is 65% more. Why? Who gets it?

Foreign banks (and fat govt) get that free money. Even in a mild upbeat economy, YOU will have bought TWO homes instead of one.

Who gets that new home? Money is an INVOLUNTARY contract. Foreigners get that free money and buy up your nation’s assets for CHEAP.

FREE CHEAP businesses, cheap stock, cheap farmland etc.
while YOU pay much more than FULL PRICE. People have no clue how bad they get ripped off.

Banks evolve from public to private and back. When the money system is private, YOU get ripped off. YOU bought assets multiple times while privileged private bank holders, get assets cheap. Ignorance of the hidden economy is bliss.


31 posted on 10/01/2016 11:57:29 AM PDT by TheNext (Hillary Hurts Children & Women)
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To: Gritty

Actually not, a proper retirement plan would hold plenty of low cap stocks, UNHARMED by low interest rates.

A retirement plan damaged by low interest rates, did poor investing. That is a plan based on worthless paper money, or a union pension based on unsound investing or a govt pension based on false promises.

Folks had a lifetime to learn retirement investing. Willful ignorance has nobody to blame but themselves.


32 posted on 10/01/2016 12:06:14 PM PDT by TheNext (Hillary Hurts Children & Women)
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To: TheNext

Govt printing of fake money killed retirement plans. QE1, QE2 ... QE scr*w you again. When Govt maximizes their profits, the people lose.


33 posted on 10/01/2016 12:09:36 PM PDT by TheNext (Hillary Hurts Children & Women)
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To: TheNext

-—Bullsh*t....All money interest should be 0%.——

What type of progressive utopia do you live in...


34 posted on 10/01/2016 12:12:55 PM PDT by Popman
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To: LouAvul

It’s really simple. The banks can borrow at .5% and are giving out rates as high as 30% on credit cards. The Fed is allowing banks to make money at usury rates without so much as a squeal from anyone.


35 posted on 10/01/2016 12:15:27 PM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: TheNext

“Folks had a lifetime to learn retirement investing. Willful ignorance has nobody to blame but themselves.”

Many would like options aside from the stock market (aka as a retail investors suckers play) that is manipulated by a relatively few insiders like Goldman and the Fed, and Mevinsky’s and Clintons who all feed information back and forth and take advantage of weak hands when insiders shake the apple tree. When the Fed finally raises rates again those insiders will have known in advance.

Interesting article on this in Breitbart. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/10/01/state-department-admits-lost-clinton-foundation-email/


36 posted on 10/01/2016 1:38:50 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Political correctness should be defined as news media that exposes political corruption)
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To: LouAvul

The Fed understood that demographics of an aging boomer population wanting safe income would put increasing stress on the equity markets post 2005. Boomers retiring would be reallocating out of equities into fixed income. The only way to prevent this new overhead pressure on the stock market was to keep fixed income unattractive by low interest.

Secondly the enormous debt load that the government created by mismanagement and corruption needed a crutch of artificial low rates. The government should have allowed the banks to go bankrupt in 2009 where all equity by shareholders and management was zeroed out. New banks could have been initially recapitalized by govt and then made public through IPOs. Instead the government rewarded the incompetence and the Fed QE’d the stock market.


37 posted on 10/01/2016 2:04:41 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Political correctness should be defined as news media that exposes political corruption)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Oh, you got me. Been a secret Communist my whole life. I hide in my closet. lol

Option 2 is you do not understand how economies work.

What were the interest rates during the high growth years of America?? 7% 12% 15% ??

Nope. Those high rates are the product of a corrupt, involuntary Federal Reserve System. If your retirement is dependent upon high interest rates, you LOSE.

A stock can pay out in price/value increase or dividend increase, the equivalent of interest paid.
The ONLY real valuable investment is small cap stocks. There are other ok investments eg real estate. Avoiding high value investment and depending upon false promises of other’s money, or Social Security, or high money market rates and low inflation,

... is a loser’s retirement disaster.

Unfortunately, over that last 100 years, investment education is dismal across the land. The private banks and US Govt, have ripped off retirees and there is NOTHING you can do about. Accept diminishing returns as Obama printed $Trillions of worthless Fed Reserve Notes.

The best you retirees can do is pay off your mortgage, because if the US Govt bankrupts, quits paying Social Security, you lose your home also, homeless not just interest rate poor.


38 posted on 10/01/2016 2:16:47 PM PDT by TheNext (Hillary Hurts Children & Women)
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To: LouAvul

I watched Too Big To Fail last night and was thinking how small that bubble was compared to the one we have now. It is a giant worldwide Ponzi scheme that keeps paying off for a few while ripping off everyone else.


39 posted on 10/01/2016 4:52:05 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: LouAvul

Yep, it’s killing me. I’ll have to work till I die.


40 posted on 10/01/2016 9:33:21 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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