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Hoboken Crash: New Jersey Transit Train Didn't Have Positive Train Control
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Posted on 09/29/2016 9:04:32 AM PDT by bryan999

The commuter train that crashed into New Jersey Transit's Hoboken terminal during the Thursday morning rush was not equipped with the positive train control technology that could have prevented it from roaring off the rails.

What's more, not a single New Jersey Transit employee has been trained how to use the PTC technology, according to the most recent U.S. Department of Transportation progress report, which is dated Sept. 13.

The agency has a Dec. 31, 2018 deadline for putting this technology in place. The report states that "NJT has had a contractor on board for several years." The report also says NJT has done "partial testing over the course of the past year" on a locomotive and a cab car.

The absence of PTC, which automatically slows down trains when they exceed the speed limit on a stretch of track, was blamed by the National Transportation Safety Board for the 2015 derailment of an Amtrak train in Philadelphia that left eight people dead.

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KEYWORDS: hoboken; rail; trainwreck
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To: BikerJoe

But still, it does puzzle me why it wasn’t doing anything now. Why it was retired so soon, or was it not retired and it just failed?

That’s a question I might ask into locally. I had assumed, wrongly, that railroads were going from being naked to the current PTC system... not from earlier PTC systems to this one. If the latter, then there would be some transition plan.


41 posted on 09/29/2016 9:33:59 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: bryan999

Saudi driver ?


42 posted on 09/29/2016 9:34:07 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Bookmark!


43 posted on 09/29/2016 9:35:45 AM PDT by stayathomemom ( Read Shadow Men, The Progressive Virus, and The Marxist Playbook by Dr. Anthony Napoleon)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The train is equipped with a dead-man switch as is every train in the U.S.


44 posted on 09/29/2016 9:36:22 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: outpostinmass2

Dead-man maybe, but sick-man?


45 posted on 09/29/2016 9:37:43 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: bryan999

I guess we have the choices of unbelievable inattention, illness, drugged out operator or intentional action. I haven’t read anything about braking yet.


46 posted on 09/29/2016 9:38:14 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Indeed, it is the end. It’s a terminal.

If you want to get into the city, you need to go downstairs and hop on a PATH train, which is a subway service. One line goes to the World Trade center and the other goes to Herald Square (mid town Manhattan) with various stops along the way in both directions.

You can also take a ferry, too.


47 posted on 09/29/2016 9:38:28 AM PDT by bryan999
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Even sick he would have to push the button to keep the train going.


48 posted on 09/29/2016 9:39:32 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: A_Former_Democrat

PATH Train


49 posted on 09/29/2016 9:39:50 AM PDT by Gamecock (Gun owner. Christian. Pro-American. Pro Law and Order. I am in the basket of deplorables.)
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To: BikerJoe

What sort of technology did the system you put in use, broadly speaking? I’m not aware of what the NJ Transit is using now but I believe Amtrak uses transponder-based tech (unlike most of the freight roads). Maybe the old system wasn’t compatible? Or just didn’t get FRA cert? I wasn’t aware that there were any FRA-approved PTC systems that long ago.


50 posted on 09/29/2016 9:41:27 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

ASES had FRA cert. Couldn’t go into revenue service without it. It was transponder-based.


51 posted on 09/29/2016 9:47:13 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: bryan999

Damn, that’s a helluva commute, depending on where one is coming from


52 posted on 09/29/2016 9:47:36 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Romeo + Juliet = True Love hilLIAR + Obambi = ISIS)
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To: bryan999

” ...not equipped with the positive train control technology that could have prevented it from roaring off the rails. What’s more, not a single New Jersey Transit employee has been trained how to use the PTC technology, “

Why bother training employees on technology they don’t have or use? I’d say they were being thrifty by not wasting taxpayers money on unnecessary training.


53 posted on 09/29/2016 9:51:13 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory.)
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To: samtheman

Glad you are safe.


54 posted on 09/29/2016 9:53:53 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: jalisco555

I remember some bridge that collapsed years ago and they blamed republicans for that too. The unions and their bought democrat politicians always jump on that wagon.


55 posted on 09/29/2016 9:57:23 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Thanks for that helpful information.


56 posted on 09/29/2016 9:59:47 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: WENDLE
O’Hare Airport and Chicago Transit Authority
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-ohare-blue-line-crash-ntsb-report-met-20150326-story.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elMXt00xyIU

And to add insult to injury, the CTA took over a year to replace the escalators. The poor air travelers had to schlep their suitcases up and down stairs for over a year.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/CTA-Replaces-Blue-Line-Escalator-at-OHare-297454301.html

57 posted on 09/29/2016 10:01:19 AM PDT by Chgogal (A woman who votes for Hillary is voting with her vagina and not her brain.)
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To: JimSEA

a gay conductor ran his train off the track in Philly a year or so ago killing 8 people and has anybody really heard what the official excuse was?......


58 posted on 09/29/2016 10:03:30 AM PDT by cherry
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To: samtheman

You have a Guardian Angel.


59 posted on 09/29/2016 10:04:04 AM PDT by combat_boots (MSM: We lie to you sheep at the slaughterhouse to keep you calm during slaughter)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Possible in principle — trains can be utterly automated. But I seriously doubt that this means they will cease to be staffed. The calamities guarded against by PTC are not the only ones that locomotives can face. PTC won’t see an obstruction or other abnormal condition of a track.

It has been over 20 years ago, but when Rockwell-Collins was working with BN on the ARES program, one of my acquaintances on the railroad side would describe the features and accuracy they had already achieved and what was projected, and it was impressive. Still, he reasoned that without a human in the cab as one last safeguard, some situations were going to result in mayhem. His final take on it was, "The bean-counters will demand it, but thank God the public won't put up with it (a crewless train)."

I'm jaded enough to think that the public can be manipulated into demanding about anything.

Mr. niteowl77

60 posted on 09/29/2016 10:04:18 AM PDT by niteowl77
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