Posted on 09/28/2016 9:36:26 AM PDT by RummyChick
WASHINGTON—The Senate voted Wednesday to override President Barack Obama’s veto of legislation that would allow Americans to sue foreign governments over terrorist attacks, the first time the chamber has delivered such a rebuke to the president since he took office.
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I appreciate your perspective. May I ask either what you do or how you came to this understanding?
bfl
Belated, but good for them. Soon there’ll be a new sheriff in town.
#8. “The evidence must be very strong”.
Nah. They are all just anti-Moslem. /sarc
[For many it is VOTES, VOTES, VOTES and MONEY, MONEY, MONEY from liberal Jewish leftists, and I’m Jewish. I know who the schmucks are).
A few might actually care about the victims of 9/11 but the majority of Democrat Senators are only concerned about Relection/Votes and campaign donations. Otherwise, they’d be Republicans.
Sanders and Kaine didn’t vote.
Good! And now that the Congress has proven that they can override his desires, it is time to do it AGAIN, and RIGHT NOW!
JOHN CORNYN: Majority Whip, (bring SB3034 to floor NOW) https://www.cornyn.senate.gov/contact 202-224-2934 Washington I have been told easier to contact satellites 713-572-3337 Houston 956-423-0162 Harlington 806-472-7533 Lubock 210-224-7485 San Antonio 512-469-6034 Austin 903-593-0902 Tyler 972-239-1310 Dallas
HARRY REID: http://www.reid.senate.gov/contact 202-224-3542 (stop playing politics w/ our internet)
HOUSE RESOLUTION 5418 NANCY PELOSI: http://www.democraticleader.govcontact-us/# 202-225-0100 (stop playing politics w/ our internet)
PAUL RYAN: http://www.speaker.gov/contact 202-225-0600 (bring HR5418 to floor for vote NOW)
They should have done it many prior times.
Too many Democrat lawyers looking at it as a pay day.
I didn’t know it was possible to override the king, mark this day on your calendar.
I think....if you went back to the 1950s or prior...any time that a nation created a terror act, then the “victim-country” responded, and war usually occurred. I wouldn’t just use the 1914 episode. There are probably a dozen other examples. You can view the episodes in the Philippines that led to the US having troops there....the Panama business with Noriega....or the Falklands.
In this case, we have two or three wild-cards. There’s roughly 100 billion dollars which the Saudis own in US debt. There’s also billions invested in various mutual funds. If you were a responsible Saudi financial adviser, you would not want some idiot judge trying to freeze your account. My reaction would be to sell the debt (losing money) and then sell the stocks....taking the money to the EU or Japan. It’d throw the US into an economic tailspin but that’s the value of the problem at hand.
Oddly, both Bush and Obama could have gone and laid down some tough positions with the Saudis and punished them in various ways. Neither had the willing nature to do that. So we are at this junction of a fantastic court case.....worth I think in the 100 billion range and the Saudis now realizing that a vast sum of money might be taken away. If this were you....how would you react?
The amusing thing is that Obama could have forbid the 28 secret pages from being made public. That would have stalled all of this for six months, until Trump arrived. For some reason, he wanted the pages out there and I think he wanted the Saudis to react...maybe to take their money out. Course, even if they take the money and leave....then what? Who around the globe wants that much cash thrown into their banking system?
bkmk
Marie the other side of the bill to sue the Saudis. I agree with Daniel Greenfield, 100%!
Greenfield: Progressive Traitors Stand With Saudis Over 9/11 Families
FrontPage ^ | September 30, 2016 | Daniel Greenfield
Posted on 9/29/2016, 9:46:20 PM by Greenfield: Progressive Traitors Stand With Saudis Over 9/11 Families
FrontPage ^ | September 30, 2016 | Daniel Greenfield
Posted on 9/29/2016, 9:46:20 PM by Louis Foxwell
On September 28, 2016, the two co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Keith Ellison and Raúl Grijalva, betrayed the country they claim citizenship in by standing with Saudi Arabia and Obama against 9/11 families. Joining them in this political treason was Progressive Caucus Whip Barbara Lee.
Ellison’s treason was unsurprising. He was the first Muslim elected to Congress. Andre Carson, the second Muslim in Congress, also joined Ellison in siding with the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, also known as the King of Saudi Arabia. Saudi money has sponsored the international spread of Islam.
Keith Ellison has made multiple visits to Saudi Arabia, including a religious “Haj” visit to the terror country that serves as the center of the Islamic religion. His visit was sponsored by the Muslim American Society, a Muslim Brotherhood arm that had been aided by Saudi Arabia. Ahmed Elkadi, a key MAS figure, was the personal physician to the Saudi king.
Ellison had defended aid to Saudi Arabia and insisted that we needed to learn from the Saudis “what they had to offer.”
We learned it all too well on 9/11.
While we would expect nothing better from Ellison, the Islamist on the Hill, his contemptible actions were aided and abetted by a royal list of political progressives.
In the Senate, Bernie Sanders and Tim Kaine, Hillary’s VP, were too busy campaigning for her to support 9/11 families. Only Harry Reid only had enough guts to actually come to the Senate and stand with the enemy.
So did the radical leftist who billed himself as the “Congressman with Guts” and then as the aspiring “Senator with Guts”. Alan Grayson had once accused his Republican opponent of being the Taliban. But he was one who backed the Saudi Taliban by voting against the override of Obama’s 9/11 veto.
Grayson however didn’t have the guts to explain to his constituents why he stood with the Islamic enemies of America over the American families victimized by Islamic terrorism. But, interestingly enough, Alan Grayson had his own hedge fund operating out of the Cayman Islands that invested in companies doing business in Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Pakistan. All three countries sponsor terrorism.
And Grayson had visited all three with congressional delegations.
Aligning themselves with Grayson’s treasonous act against this country were fellow Florida Democrats, Lois Frankel and Frederica Wilson. Grayson, Frankel and Wilson are all members of the Progressive Caucus. Grayson and Wilson had also voted in favor of Obama’s treasonous illegal deal with Iran.
Frederica Wilson claimed to be a “voice for the voiceless”. Instead she proved to be a voice for the Saudis. She had declared that, “The real enemy is the Tea Party”. But the real enemy are the Saudis and their accomplices.
In Tennessee, both members of the Democratic delegation did the Saudi dance. But one of the more shocking unanimities of treason vote came from Washington’s Democratic delegation which, almost to a man, voted in defense of Obama and his Saudi accomplices. 4 out of 6 Democratic congressmen from Washington stood with the Saudis. Representatives Heck, Larsen, McDermott and Smith chose Saudi Arabia over their country emerging as Saudi Firsters.
Of these four, McDermott’s treason is the least surprising. McDermott is not only a Progressive Caucus member, but the Seattle Socialist had been known as Baghdad Jim for a visit to Iraq funded by Saddam.
Two-thirds of the Wisconsin Democratic delegation also took the Saudi side. They include Gwen Moore, a member of the Progressive Caucus and one of the infamous “Hamas 54”. As did two-thirds of the Colorado Democratic delegation
Four Texas Democrats also voted with the Saudis including Progressive Caucus member Eddie Bernice Johnson. In California, thirteen Democrats took a stand for Islamic terror and against 9/11 families.
That shameful roll concludes with Progressive Caucus member Maxine Waters.
Maxine Waters has a long consistent record of treason from South America to the Middle East. But the lowest point in her career may have come when she defended the Los Angeles rioters and looters. She supported Black Lives Matter heroine and cop killer Assata Shakur and claimed that the CIA sells drugs in black neighborhoods. Waters defended Islamic Sharia law at the Islamic Society of Orange County.
The Islamic Society of Orange County’s director headed up Saudi Arabia’s Muslim World League.
Joining in Waters’ treason were Progressive Caucus members Karen Bass, Danny K. Davis, Sam Farr, Barbara Lee and Mark Takano. They were joined by California Democrats, who are not official CPC members, Lois Capps, Jackie Speier, Brad Sherman, Doris Matsui, Mike Thompson and Juan Vargas.
Bass is also Secretary of the Congressional Black Caucus, many of whose members voted for the Saudis. These included Keith Ellison, Andre Carson, Gwen Moore, Eddie Bernice Johnson, Hank Johnson, John Lewis, Barbara Lee, Danny K. Davis, Elijah Cummings, Wm. Lacy Clay, James Clyburn, Donna Edwards, John Conyers, Robin Kelly, Robert Scott, Marc Veasey and Frederica Wilson.
17 members of the Congressional Black Caucus, a shockingly high percentage, came to the defense of a racist apartheid Islamic state.
In Georgia, where half the Democratic delegation voted with the Saudis, both traitors were CPC members. John Lewis, who accuses someone of racism every 15 minutes, saw nothing wrong with taking the side of a racist apartheid state that only abolished slavery in 1962. Lewis has been dining out on his “civil rights hero” brand for a very long time. But you can’t stand with a slave state and claim to be a civil rights hero at the same time.
The only one to whom Lewis can be a hero are the Saudis who continue to abuse slaves today.
Joining Lewis in his despicable betrayal of modern day slaves was Hank Johnson, who had become famous for claiming that Guam might tip over and recently referred to Jews in Israel as “termites”. That’s anti-Semitic language typical of Saudi Arabia where Jews are described as “apes” and “pigs”.
In Keith Ellison and Andre Carson’s home states of Minnesota and Indiana, Democratic delegations universally backed Obama across the board as fellow Indiana Democrat, Pete Visclosky and Minnesota Democrat Betty McCollum took the same stand for the Saudis. In Kentucky, South Carolina and Louisiana, the last lone Democrats surviving in these states, John Yarmuth, a CPC member, Cedric Richmond, and Jim Clyburn voted the way that the Saudis wanted them to.
In Michigan, CPC member John Conyers was the only one in the Democratic delegation to back Obama. Conyers has a long history of Islamist ties and has submitted resolutions in support of the Islamist agenda. But this vote shows how widely his learnings are shared by the rest of the CPC.
When the time came to be counted, 24 members of the Progressive Caucus stood with one of the most reactionary Islamic regimes on earth. What is progressive about Saudi Arabia? Nothing. Just as there is nothing progressive about the left. This vote reveals once again that the left is not for progress, it isn’t for the rights of women or gay people or any of the other groups that it cynically claims to protect.
Instead the left sides with the forces of destruction. It reflexively stands with the enemies of this country. It is naturally inclined to ally with regressive regimes, whether it is Nazi Germany, Iran or Saudi Arabia, because they are closest to its reactionary agenda of tyranny and oppression.
The vote on the 9/11 bill showed us the true colors of the left. We would be wise to remember i
On September 28, 2016, the two co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Keith Ellison and Raúl Grijalva, betrayed the country they claim citizenship in by standing with Saudi Arabia and Obama against 9/11 families. Joining them in this political treason was Progressive Caucus Whip Barbara Lee.
Ellison’s treason was unsurprising. He was the first Muslim elected to Congress. Andre Carson, the second Muslim in Congress, also joined Ellison in siding with the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, also known as the King of Saudi Arabia. Saudi money has sponsored the international spread of Islam.
Keith Ellison has made multiple visits to Saudi Arabia, including a religious “Haj” visit to the terror country that serves as the center of the Islamic religion. His visit was sponsored by the Muslim American Society, a Muslim Brotherhood arm that had been aided by Saudi Arabia. Ahmed Elkadi, a key MAS figure, was the personal physician to the Saudi king.
Ellison had defended aid to Saudi Arabia and insisted that we needed to learn from the Saudis “what they had to offer.”
We learned it all too well on 9/11.
While we would expect nothing better from Ellison, the Islamist on the Hill, his contemptible actions were aided and abetted by a royal list of political progressives.
In the Senate, Bernie Sanders and Tim Kaine, Hillary’s VP, were too busy campaigning for her to support 9/11 families. Only Harry Reid only had enough guts to actually come to the Senate and stand with the enemy.
So did the radical leftist who billed himself as the “Congressman with Guts” and then as the aspiring “Senator with Guts”. Alan Grayson had once accused his Republican opponent of being the Taliban. But he was one who backed the Saudi Taliban by voting against the override of Obama’s 9/11 veto.
Grayson however didn’t have the guts to explain to his constituents why he stood with the Islamic enemies of America over the American families victimized by Islamic terrorism. But, interestingly enough, Alan Grayson had his own hedge fund operating out of the Cayman Islands that invested in companies doing business in Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Pakistan. All three countries sponsor terrorism.
And Grayson had visited all three with congressional delegations.
Aligning themselves with Grayson’s treasonous act against this country were fellow Florida Democrats, Lois Frankel and Frederica Wilson. Grayson, Frankel and Wilson are all members of the Progressive Caucus. Grayson and Wilson had also voted in favor of Obama’s treasonous illegal deal with Iran.
Frederica Wilson claimed to be a “voice for the voiceless”. Instead she proved to be a voice for the Saudis. She had declared that, “The real enemy is the Tea Party”. But the real enemy are the Saudis and their accomplices.
In Tennessee, both members of the Democratic delegation did the Saudi dance. But one of the more shocking unanimities of treason vote came from Washington’s Democratic delegation which, almost to a man, voted in defense of Obama and his Saudi accomplices. 4 out of 6 Democratic congressmen from Washington stood with the Saudis. Representatives Heck, Larsen, McDermott and Smith chose Saudi Arabia over their country emerging as Saudi Firsters.
Of these four, McDermott’s treason is the least surprising. McDermott is not only a Progressive Caucus member, but the Seattle Socialist had been known as Baghdad Jim for a visit to Iraq funded by Saddam.
Two-thirds of the Wisconsin Democratic delegation also took the Saudi side. They include Gwen Moore, a member of the Progressive Caucus and one of the infamous “Hamas 54”. As did two-thirds of the Colorado Democratic delegation
Four Texas Democrats also voted with the Saudis including Progressive Caucus member Eddie Bernice Johnson. In California, thirteen Democrats took a stand for Islamic terror and against 9/11 families.
That shameful roll concludes with Progressive Caucus member Maxine Waters.
Maxine Waters has a long consistent record of treason from South America to the Middle East. But the lowest point in her career may have come when she defended the Los Angeles rioters and looters. She supported Black Lives Matter heroine and cop killer Assata Shakur and claimed that the CIA sells drugs in black neighborhoods. Waters defended Islamic Sharia law at the Islamic Society of Orange County.
The Islamic Society of Orange County’s director headed up Saudi Arabia’s Muslim World League.
Joining in Waters’ treason were Progressive Caucus members Karen Bass, Danny K. Davis, Sam Farr, Barbara Lee and Mark Takano. They were joined by California Democrats, who are not official CPC members, Lois Capps, Jackie Speier, Brad Sherman, Doris Matsui, Mike Thompson and Juan Vargas.
Bass is also Secretary of the Congressional Black Caucus, many of whose members voted for the Saudis. These included Keith Ellison, Andre Carson, Gwen Moore, Eddie Bernice Johnson, Hank Johnson, John Lewis, Barbara Lee, Danny K. Davis, Elijah Cummings, Wm. Lacy Clay, James Clyburn, Donna Edwards, John Conyers, Robin Kelly, Robert Scott, Marc Veasey and Frederica Wilson.
17 members of the Congressional Black Caucus, a shockingly high percentage, came to the defense of a racist apartheid Islamic state.
In Georgia, where half the Democratic delegation voted with the Saudis, both traitors were CPC members. John Lewis, who accuses someone of racism every 15 minutes, saw nothing wrong with taking the side of a racist apartheid state that only abolished slavery in 1962. Lewis has been dining out on his “civil rights hero” brand for a very long time. But you can’t stand with a slave state and claim to be a civil rights hero at the same time.
The only one to whom Lewis can be a hero are the Saudis who continue to abuse slaves today.
Joining Lewis in his despicable betrayal of modern day slaves was Hank Johnson, who had become famous for claiming that Guam might tip over and recently referred to Jews in Israel as “termites”. That’s anti-Semitic language typical of Saudi Arabia where Jews are described as “apes” and “pigs”.
In Keith Ellison and Andre Carson’s home states of Minnesota and Indiana, Democratic delegations universally backed Obama across the board as fellow Indiana Democrat, Pete Visclosky and Minnesota Democrat Betty McCollum took the same stand for the Saudis. In Kentucky, South Carolina and Louisiana, the last lone Democrats surviving in these states, John Yarmuth, a CPC member, Cedric Richmond, and Jim Clyburn voted the way that the Saudis wanted them to.
In Michigan, CPC member John Conyers was the only one in the Democratic delegation to back Obama. Conyers has a long history of Islamist ties and has submitted resolutions in support of the Islamist agenda. But this vote shows how widely his learnings are shared by the rest of the CPC.
When the time came to be counted, 24 members of the Progressive Caucus stood with one of the most reactionary Islamic regimes on earth. What is progressive about Saudi Arabia? Nothing. Just as there is nothing progressive about the left. This vote reveals once again that the left is not for progress, it isn’t for the rights of women or gay people or any of the other groups that it cynically claims to protect.
Instead the left sides with the forces of destruction. It reflexively stands with the enemies of this country. It is naturally inclined to ally with regressive regimes, whether it is Nazi Germany, Iran or Saudi Arabia, because they are closest to its reactionary agenda of tyranny and oppression.
The vote on the 9/11 bill showed us the true colors of the left. We would be wise to remember i
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