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BREAKING: Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby charged with 1st degree manslaughter
KTUL ^ | September 22, 2016 | Staff

Posted on 09/22/2016 1:46:01 PM PDT by Trump20162020

Tulsa County DA: Charges of manslaughter in 1st degree will be filed against Officer Betty Shelby.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bettyshelby; cops; crutcher; leo; oklahoma; police; terencecrutcher; tulsa; tulsashooting
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To: Starboard

“...shot to disable”??? Just exactly how does someone pull that off?


121 posted on 09/22/2016 2:28:20 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
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To: arthurus

Only thing I can say about this is type of thing is that I know, beyond any reasonable doubt, that I do not have what it takes to do what police do for a living.

It’s a very tough job, and if I was on the job, it would be just a matter of time before I screw something up, so I feel like it’s a smart thing to do to leave this job to better men and women than me.

I’m not sure why she shot this guy, or why she thought or felt that her life was in danger, but she’s going to have to answer to it, and that’s good.

I think if you kill someone, and you cannot demonstrate that you were in immediate danger, then a crime has been committed, this goes for police and civilians.

Gotta follow the law.


122 posted on 09/22/2016 2:29:03 PM PDT by chris37 (How do you make Republicans turn on their own candidate? Sneak up behind them and say "Boo".)
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To: PLMerite

“And on our next episode of...Jurassic Cop... :)”

Honestly. That could be the premise of the funniest skit Saturday Night Live has attempted in decades. Funny.


123 posted on 09/22/2016 2:29:06 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: hal ogen

The French do it with rubber bullets


124 posted on 09/22/2016 2:29:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Alberta's Child

a second officer wouldn’t have fired a tazer if he didn’t also personally perceive an immediate threat, so it’s actually a validating action


125 posted on 09/22/2016 2:29:20 PM PDT by blueplum ((March 11, 2016 - the day the First Amendment died?))
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To: LouieFisk
(But it looks to me to be pretty clear that the window was closed.)

You might want to watch this ... especially around the 30 second mark. Looks to me like both front windows and the sunroof are open.

126 posted on 09/22/2016 2:29:26 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: jjsheridan5

There was a gun on the ground in Charlotte. Were it in the fellow’s pocket it likely would have stayed in his pocket when he fell. It was on the ground. I am guessing it was in his hand. Not a situation with a good prognosis.


127 posted on 09/22/2016 2:29:28 PM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaThe fellow in Charlotte apparently DID have a gun and it was likeky)
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To: Alberta's Child

They also have no idea how many innocent people will die if they err on the side of caution and don’t deal effectively with someone who is a threat. That is why it is an inherently difficult decision under any circumstances. And it is also why the judicial process should factor in the fact that her primary motivation behind her actions was probably to protect the innocent (including herself). In other words, a very difficult decision, made under very difficult circumstances, with, in all likelihood, a noble and righteous intent.

People who are “limited” need to take extra care in many situations. A deaf person, for example, needs to be extra careful when crossing the street. They need to be extra careful at sporting events. They need to be extra careful when operating machinery. And, they need to be extra careful when interacting with the police.


128 posted on 09/22/2016 2:29:49 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Trump20162020

4 cops and nobody thought to just arrest the guy...a couple of cops from 1956 hearing an account of this would be left scratching their heads. They would not understand a second of it and they wouldn’t know where to start in asking questions about it.


129 posted on 09/22/2016 2:30:03 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job....)
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To: Sasparilla
That’s max 4 years in Oklahoma.

I don't think so. Per Find Law it's minimum 4 years of which 85% must be served, or about 3.5 years IN PRISON.

Hopefully they put her in a nice country club prison. Life could be very bad for a small white former cop in a hardcore woman's Max, most of which are controlled by black gangs.

130 posted on 09/22/2016 2:30:04 PM PDT by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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To: Starboard

It’s extremely difficult to fire a pistol in such a precise manner to do what you describe.

Firing a pistol is not like firing a rifle.

Firing a pistol under strenuous circumstances and expecting that you can place a bullet in such a way as to not kill someone tells me that you don’t have much or even any experience with pistols.


131 posted on 09/22/2016 2:30:59 PM PDT by chris37 (How do you make Republicans turn on their own candidate? Sneak up behind them and say "Boo".)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I agree with you. Looks like she was in over her head, probably panicked.
132 posted on 09/22/2016 2:31:17 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (President Trump: It's all over but the counting)
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To: LouieFisk

She won’t be convicted.


133 posted on 09/22/2016 2:32:23 PM PDT by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%9)
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To: LouieFisk

She won’t be convicted.


134 posted on 09/22/2016 2:34:02 PM PDT by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%9)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

I don’t think killing someone for disobeying an order is actual police policy.

I’m glad they charged her, completely wrong escalation of force for turning towards his car.

Ed


135 posted on 09/22/2016 2:34:21 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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Good.


136 posted on 09/22/2016 2:34:34 PM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel (I am so very blessed! Thank You, JESUS!)
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To: Safetgiver

The Lone Ranger totally agrees with you.

************

The Lone Ranger had the advantage of having a fancy white hat, a lightning fast draw, and a trusty six shooter. lol


137 posted on 09/22/2016 2:34:56 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: AmusedBystander
As a side note, why did she go for a kill shot? Why not a shot in air first to see if his demeanor changes? Or a shot to the leg? It was obvious that none of the other officers thought he was that much of a threat. Police are trained to use their guns. The only reason to use a gun is because of immediate threat of major bodily harm or death. That's the only reason.

Guns are not there to serve warnings. Guns are not there to wound people in hopes that they slow down. If the person is not an imminent threat then they should not even be threatened with a gun.

Basically one of the larger male cops should have tackled him and they could have gone Rodney King on him -- but they would have had a horrible lawsuit for that too (he was probably high on PCP like King).

I would never want to be a cop, and I know there are a lot of cop haters even here on FR, but it's hard to imagine a half-way decent world that doesn't have them. (Unless you are a 14 year old and believe in things like anarcho-libertarianism, or a 45 year old who hasn't grown up).

138 posted on 09/22/2016 2:35:17 PM PDT by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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To: hal ogen

Dead is certainly disabled.


139 posted on 09/22/2016 2:35:23 PM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaThe fellow in Charlotte apparently DID have a gun and it was likeky)
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To: Trump20162020

Females have never had any reason to be cops, especially on patrol. Never. And here’s a good example. Should have been assigned behind a desk at the very most.

Hey, PC women’s rights morons, here’s exhibit A.


140 posted on 09/22/2016 2:36:55 PM PDT by laweeks
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