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Woman fatally shot by Florida officer role-playing as ‘bad guy’ during citizen police academy
Washington Post ^ | August 10 2016 | Katie Mettler and Kristine Guerra

Posted on 08/10/2016 11:20:18 AM PDT by Donglalinger

Mary Knowlton arrived at the Punta Gorda, Fla., police station Tuesday night to learn how to be a community steward.

The 73-year-old was there as a student in the citizen police academy, a two-hour course intended to give an intimate look at what makes the department in the quaint Florida town work.

On this night, the group of 35 would tour the station and talk with officers, an essential part of academy curriculum that has gained popularity across the country amid a heated national debate about police violence.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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To: 4yearlurker
Why even use blanks? Blanks can kill and injure too.

That is true, but only up close or with a plugged barrel (ask Brandon Lee).

I suppose the noise was part of the intended realism of the demonstration.

41 posted on 08/10/2016 12:18:39 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

The 1st Law: The Gun Is Always Loaded

The 2nd Law: Never Point The Gun At Something You Are Not Prepared To Destroy


42 posted on 08/10/2016 12:20:48 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Donglalinger

First thing I learned, never, NEVER point a gun at someone loaded or unloaded unless you intend on shooting them.


43 posted on 08/10/2016 12:27:48 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

So true. And awful....


44 posted on 08/10/2016 12:29:28 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Or the dog.

absolutely

45 posted on 08/10/2016 12:38:02 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: Mr. Douglas

DEA Agent In Foot Shoot Suit
Seeks damages for distribution of humiliating gun accident video

DEA Agent In Foot Shoot Suit

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/dea-agent-foot-shoot-suit

APRIL 11—A Drug Enforcement Administration agent who stars in a popular online video that shows him shooting himself in the foot during a weapons demonstration for Florida children is suing over the tape’s release, claiming that his career has been crippled and he’s become a laughingstock due to the embarrassing clip’s distribution.

Lee Paige, 45, blames the video’s release on DEA officials in an April 7 federal lawsuit filed against the U.S. government. A copy of the pro se complaint by Paige, a DEA agent since 1990, can be found here.

According to the lawsuit, Paige was making a “drug education presentation” in April 2004 to a Florida youth group when his firearm (a Glock .40) accidentally discharged. The shooting occurred moments after Paige told the children that he was the only person in the room professional enough to carry the weapon.

The accident was filmed by an audience member, and the tape, Paige claims, was turned over to the DEA. The drug agency, he charges, subsequently “improperly, illegally, willfully and/or intentionally” allowed the tape to be disseminated.

As a result, Paige—pictured at left in a still from the video—has been the “target of jokes, derision, ridicule, and disparaging comments” directed at him in restaurants, grocery stores, and airports. Paige, who writes that he was “once regarded as one of the best undercover agents, if not the best, in the DEA,” points to the clip’s recent airing on popular television shows and via the Internet as the reason he can no longer work undercover. He also notes that he is no longer “permitted or able to give educational motivational speeches and presentations.” (5 pages)


46 posted on 08/10/2016 12:44:05 PM PDT by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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To: thefactor

Dumbassery abounds!


47 posted on 08/10/2016 12:46:23 PM PDT by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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To: Lagmeister

I’ve been a LEO for over 13 years. In my department no one comes off the line unless your weapon is holstered with the slide racked back, your hands are behind your back, and the range safeties have given the tower the all-clear. If you even bend down to pick up a magazine before the tower tells you to do so, you are failed and have to come back another day. If you hand an instructor a loaded weapon during gun-check or before gun-cleaning, you are punished as well. All these safety measures, and there are still negligent discharges and other mistakes. But this story is beyond the pale.


48 posted on 08/10/2016 12:48:53 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: dennisw

He lost, and lost his appeal.


49 posted on 08/10/2016 12:55:55 PM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: Donglalinger
NB:

Never, ever, be involved w any Rent-a-Mob group, even on a volunteer basis.


50 posted on 08/10/2016 12:56:05 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Donglalinger

Who told Barney he could put his bullet in his gun?


51 posted on 08/10/2016 12:58:07 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Donglalinger

After this little demonstration, I wonder how many of the good citizen volunteers stayed to complete the course to be a Community Steward. And how many, well, changed their minds.


52 posted on 08/10/2016 1:19:01 PM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: Mr. Douglas
Good. Not only is he an utter fool. He tried to make it into a payday for him. My bet he is still employed by the Feds somewhere somehow. Some of his complaining was people are laughing at him and his family when they go to a restaurant.... lol....and he can't give motivational speeches....lol...

Paige claimed in his lawsuit that the DEA's release of the video, taken by a parent attending the demonstration, invaded his privacy and ended his ability to work undercover or give motivational speeches. Paige, a former professional football player who worked at the DEA since 1990, said the release has also resulted in humiliating comments toward him and his family not only on television but at grocery stores and restaurants.


53 posted on 08/10/2016 2:54:06 PM PDT by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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To: thefactor
I’ve been a LEO for over 13 years. In my department no one comes off the line unless your weapon is holstered with the slide racked back...

How does your department handle LEOs who kill an innocent volunteer during the course of a role-playing game?

Is the LEO charged with negligent homicide or manslaughter?

54 posted on 08/10/2016 3:05:32 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many... Daniel 8:25)
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To: Donglalinger
guess they sure got that no hesitation thing down pat...
55 posted on 08/10/2016 3:43:34 PM PDT by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING!)
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To: thefactor

I am talking about people I know at a public range.


56 posted on 08/10/2016 5:07:06 PM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: PAR35
Without looking any farther, I’m guessing a Glock.

Wrong

Punta Gorda police identify officer who shot, killed woman at citizen police academy

The police chief said the revolver used is specifically for these training exercises. “We were unaware that any live ammunition was available to the officer at the time,” Chief Lewis said.

Lewis said there are protocols to prevent this from happening but he wouldn’t go into detail because of the investigation.

Protocols! IF you are going to use an old revolver using special rounds for "realism"- Make sure there are no live rounds of that calibre in the department, and check each round as it is loaded - at the very least.

Starting to look very sketchy. Before the officer was released, it needed to be explained where he got those live rounds and how was he able to load them unnoticed.

57 posted on 08/10/2016 8:43:17 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I shot a man in Falcon Heights, just to watch him die)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

That scenario isn’t in the manual. And I’m not a lawyer. If you remember, they are the ones who indict people.


58 posted on 08/11/2016 5:19:12 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Thanks for the additional information.


59 posted on 08/11/2016 8:18:56 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: thefactor
That scenario isn’t in the manual. And I’m not a lawyer. If you remember, they are the ones who indict people.

Funny. I always thought that it was the 'Law Enforcement Officers' who determine when a law has been broken, arrest the offender, then refer charges to the DA for indictment/prosecution.

Do the LEOs always call up the lawyers in order to decide whether to arrest/charge someone?

60 posted on 08/11/2016 8:56:13 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many... Daniel 8:25)
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