Posted on 08/04/2016 5:30:15 PM PDT by amorphous
TERM LIMITS. Stops “career” politicians from making a
career out of Washington, D.C.
The code of conduct was drafted after the Korean War as a result of US POW behavior. It was in effect during Vietnam and was taught at SERE school during that time. Former POWs who taught at the Navy school said that the code heloed them immeansly during captivity
Why don’t you provide the details of this code of conduct rather than referencing something you haven’t supported over and over. I was in the military during that era and the training related to possibly becoming a POW was provide nothing but name, rank and serial number.
That excludes everything else. Anyone can launch into a long list things to not do, but whatever they might be, they were covered by the guideline of providing nothing but name, rank and serial number.
I’m not an HTML geek, so I can’t post a link, but if you search military code of conduct there is a wikepedia article that gives the history and spells out the code itself
I attended SERE school in San Diego in 1982. The code was discussed in class and exercized in the field. We were all debriefed after the exercise discussing our behavior regarding the code
Incidentally, the CO at the time was a former POW and he talked how SERE school and the code helped him through his ordeal.
Oops. I went to SERE school in 1983 not 1982. Fat fingers!
Mistakes were made on the flight deck due solely to poor communication capabilities and panic. Still the men of that FD were true heros no doubt in my mind. One team sprayed foam and the other team could not see that team was washing it off. Back then to foam a flight deck it had to be done manually requiring a bucket brigade. The development of the Hi-Cap stations spray down system came after that fire.
Pilots leaving the ship if it was returning to states which it was would be normal. If close on they could helo off or if the front catapults were functional they could be flown off six at at time on the ships utility plane. This stuff sounds like a Freeper that got banned {nuked actually} in here many years ago who ran a conspiracy website and swore we sank the Russian sub Kursk.
There are many former aircraft carrier sailors in FR who can vett and debunk a lot of this stuff simply by understanding how things work on a ship. Squadrons are the last to come onboard and the first to leave even the enlisted squadron support members leave the ship before ships company when pulling back in port.
If McCains ordnance released I would attribute it to the many explosions underway at that time.
I have seen the raw footage of that fire many times so have several other posters on this thread. You have no idea the hell that was going on. Three carrier fires real major ones happened within a few months of each other. Navy fire fighting technology and techniques were changed because of it and have prevented others from happening. For what it's worth I was a fully trained fire fighter onboard ship {aircraft carrier} and was what was called One on One on the hose team of my section.
No “LOL”
“McCain’s actions after the fire show a determination to exit the ship as quickly as possible. When New York Times reporter Apple finished gathering his notes on the fire, McCain boarded a helicopter with him and flew to Saigon. Given that fires still burned on the ship and some of his fellow airmen were gravely wounded and dying, McCain’s assertion that he left the carrier for “some welcome R&R” in Saigon has a surreal air. Apple, now dead, said nothing in his news reports about inviting McCain to leave the ship, although he did report talking to him in Saigon later that day. McCain does not mention receiving permission to leave the still-burning ship. Merv Rowland, a commander and chief engineering officer of the Forrestal at the time of the fire, told me that he had not known that McCain left the ship within 30 hours of the fire and that he found this “extraordinary.” Rowland added that only the severely wounded were allowed to leave the ship and that no one, as far as he knew, would have been given permission to fly to Saigon for R&R. McCain’s quick flight off the Forrestal meant that he missed the memorial service for his dead comrades held the following day in the South China Sea.
Not long after McCain left, the Forrestal set off without him on its somber voyage to Subic Bay in the Philippines, where it would undergo initial repairs. He rejoined the ship a week later when it was docked at Subic Bay. There he gave an official statement and asked for a transfer to the aircraft carrier Oriskany.”
http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea
From 2008
An interesting account of the Forrestal disaster and other incidents from John McCain’s military career
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea
Stockdale did that.
The CHENG would not know the whereabouts of one LTCDR because his ship was in danger and he had more pressing demands than having the John McCain Watch. There were about 500 officers on that ship. Most of them Squadron. He may have seen McCain the the wardroom at a meal possibly. Ships company and Squadron officers did not even sleep in the same area of the ship.
Even as a LRCDR McCain answered to a bunch of people including the Captain of the ship, his squadron C.O., the Air Boss, The Admiral onboard aka Carrier Group {whatever group number the Admiral onboard commanded}, and it would take permissions not just permission to leave the ship including getting orders in hand.
Logistics wise once you leave a ship that is underway or has gotten underway it can take even a couple of weeks to return to it. I was Medivaced from Naples, Italy to Rota, Spain and back and it took two weeks to get back to my ship and I was just there for an outpatient appointment of an hour. I had to have orders in hand to board the plane. I had to have orders to get a place to sleep in Rota and eat. I had to have orders to get paid. See a problem here?
McCain if he left may well have flown off under orders for reasons you may not even consider and others would not maybe ever be privy too. It is protocol for after any large fire to immediately be investigated by N.I.S. I've been questioned about one myself as were some of my fellow firefighters and it was over a far smaller fire that damaged two decks in the shipyards. Having him off ship and questioning him and having another witness somewhere else and questioning gives answers before stories can be compared. Or if he left the ship with the remains of deceased crewmembers to escort them to Saigon he would still likely not get back to the ship before next port.
When the ship reached Subic Bay it was patched to get back to Mayport. Now using some good old fashioned knowledge of a carriers layout and some common sense my bet is all but the air wing which were actually stationed out of Mayport were off loaded in Subic including Air Wing officers and they would be reassigned meaning either sent back to their home based N.A.S. or to another ship with another squadron. But why? Because of the location of the Air Wings enlisted and berthing quarters which would have been destroyed. They would want as many persons off at Subic Bay before the transit back as possible for many reasons including sanitation.
I don't like McCain but this kinda stuff is conspiracy site click bait.
Same site as posted the songbird’s tape we now hear
So here we are
Good night to a true believer
We have reached our own conclusions
RIP Fred White
I hope McCain sent a letter or visited the family to answer their questions about his death since he was so close to it
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