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Is U.S. Manufacturing Really in Decline?
Strategy+business ^ | July 26, 2016 | Daniel Gross

Posted on 07/28/2016 5:37:52 AM PDT by expat_panama

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To: expat_panama

US Competiveness bump for later.....


61 posted on 07/28/2016 6:48:20 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: expat_panama

Paine hit the nail on the head.

It is an almost hopeless task trying to educate Freepers concerning the realities of economics. They see the jobs lost from cheap imports. They totally miss the improvements in our standard of living that we get in return. They miss the fact that we export goods that are assembled out of the country and re-imported. Add a tariff to that industry and we lose jobs in the U.S.

I could go on but I think right now I’m going to go read some Thomas Paine.


62 posted on 07/28/2016 6:49:59 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you should have endorsed. Big mistake.)
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To: jjotto

For an RPG, it’s still dangerous enough when its charter is based on Stalin’s constitution.


63 posted on 07/28/2016 6:50:56 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: polymuser

Are you sure?

I heard that about two years ago. Then they seem to have fired the guy who promoted that idea, and I have not heard any more about it.

Everything in Walmart is imported from China. (I know, not literally everything, but pretty darned close)


64 posted on 07/28/2016 6:52:06 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: expat_panama

Just pointing out, you are working in Panama.

:D


65 posted on 07/28/2016 6:53:31 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: ExNewsExSpook
The problem is that many Americans (including certain politicians) keep claiming they will bring back “traditional” manufacturing jobs that require limited skills, but will pay high wages and offer full benefits.

Who said anything about high wages? No one. I've heard the term "good" jobs which to me means above minimum wage and some medical insurance.

66 posted on 07/28/2016 6:54:54 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: polymuser

Won’t be for the Daisy BB gun. That thing is made in China.


67 posted on 07/28/2016 6:55:59 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s just a game.

Leftists will trumpet very slight temporary declines in world grain production as a crisis, but ignore ever-expanding meat production. People with more wealth rely less on grain and obtain meat instead.


68 posted on 07/28/2016 6:59:22 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: expat_panama
Every founding father would disagree with you. You’d be lucky to stay alive if you had said those things in 1776. Tar and feathers for you.

The founding fathers hated free trade and yet built the greatest industrial nation on earth. NWO losers are giving away the store to communists and the the third world, F that. Globalist should vote for Hillary.

69 posted on 07/28/2016 7:01:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rbg81

Turning raw crude oil into refined gasoline is also manufacturing. Refinery jobs are usually good paying, non union jobs, so naturally the Dems want to destroy them. A common excuse for opposing the Canada Pipeline is that it would only bring oil to southern (non union) refineries who would then sell the refined gasoline to China. Even if true, wouldn’t that increase both manufacturing and exports?


70 posted on 07/28/2016 7:03:08 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: InterceptPoint
That means some Americans lose their jobs. It also means you and me get more stuff.

Is that academic phraseology or a personal juxtaposition of phrase? Bought Nike or Polo recently? Those $90 Polo shirts are now inexpensive and plentiful with all the cheap labor, aren't they? - Oh, wait... crap! they're $90! And... don't you just love your cheap IPhone - real cheap ain't it - since it is put together by people living on gruel.

Let's not even talk about the lost tax base from those "some Americans" - rather, let's talk about the fact that nothing is really cheaper or more plentiful because it is made overseas. Cheap labor increases profits but prices only decline basis availability and demand.

And finally, I thought a lower standard of living was a shrinking middle class, increase in food stamp consumption and 94 million working age people not working... Oh... wait again! That is what we have now from globalization.

71 posted on 07/28/2016 7:04:40 AM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: expat_panama

This is a specious argument. It is like the farmer who loses half his crop to insects but claims his crops still grew, what is left of them anyway. How much MORE would output be if the 55,000 factories had not been off shored since 2001?


72 posted on 07/28/2016 7:06:10 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Agree. IMO, we have an eduction system that is a university/college jobs program for professors and administrators. Much as our government is a jobs program for attorneys.


73 posted on 07/28/2016 7:13:38 AM PDT by polymuser (Enough is enough)
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To: InterceptPoint

There is no evidence that the reduced manufacturing costs by off shoring production is passed on to the retail consumer. As a matter of fact I am still waiting for Ford and Carrier to announce price reductions. I gave up waiting for Nabisco to lower the price of Oreo cookies.


74 posted on 07/28/2016 7:15:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: InterceptPoint

But, I’m not talking about “buggy whips”. The factory I mentioned is just one of many. They produce modern convenience items. They employ tens of thousands of people. These people spend money in the local economy. This leads to addition jobs to include people who will be working at a large power plant.

These items are made specifically for the North American Market.

Samsung chose to build this plant in Queretaro because of low wage, low regulation and no tarrif when it comes across the border.

If we address these three areas, plants like these will be built here instead. We will reap the benefit.


75 posted on 07/28/2016 7:25:47 AM PDT by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: expat_panama

I have been in the service business, it is not as profitable or as much fun as killing it with good hard products. Tried a restaurant decades ago - man did that eat my time and energy.


76 posted on 07/28/2016 7:34:33 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: InterceptPoint

It’s worse than deaf ears and disbelief. These points are often met with profanity and accusations of lying or deceit.


77 posted on 07/28/2016 7:53:25 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Salgak

It’s not the boys who are being lured towards college, as anyone who has step onto a college campus in the past two decades knows. If boys are not going to college in greater numbers and they are not going into the skilled trades, what are they doing? Drug dealing and gang banging?


78 posted on 07/28/2016 7:57:14 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: InterceptPoint

I think part of the issue is that people see nearly a Trillion Dollars flowing out of this Country year in and year out due to an imbalance in our Trade Agreements.

No matter how things are spun, the United States always seems to end up on the losing end.

Whether it be Trade Imbalance or Automation, the People who are fortunate enough to remain Employed are paying for those who have lost their Jobs. Not everyone was working in a Factory manufacturing Buggy Whips in 1980.

The very idea that it’s perfectly fine because we can purchase a cheap Flat Screen TV or cheap trinkets at the Dollar Store loses its impact when the Social Programs need to be funded by a shrinking number of Workers.

Yes, there are statistics, there are perceptions and there are facts, but the reality of it all comes down to where we are today.

How did we end up doubling our National Debt to nearly $20 Trillion Dollars in just eight Years if Manufacturing is increasing? How is it that 95,000,000 People are out of the Workforce? Ditto increases in Welfare Recipients, Food Stamp Recipients and those claiming to be Disabled. All these figures are at an all time high so it obvious something isn’t keeping up.


79 posted on 07/28/2016 7:57:37 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Hillary Clinton has killed four more People than Three Mile Island.)
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To: oh8eleven

Most vehicles sold in the US are made in the US. They just don’t have Big Three nameplates anymore.


80 posted on 07/28/2016 7:59:58 AM PDT by riverdawg
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