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Hillary Picks ‘Boring’ Senator Tim Kaine as Veep
breitbart.com ^ | Jul 22, 2016

Posted on 07/22/2016 6:46:33 PM PDT by Helicondelta

The Kaine pick represents the last death of hope for the more radical wing of the Democrat party that supported Bernie Sanders and were hoping for a running mate such as Senator Elizabeth Warren.

Clinton is said to have been looking at other choices such as Senator Cory Booker, who is black, and Secretary of Labor Thomas Perez, who is Hispanic, but instead went with Kaine who is white, male and a consummate Democrat political insider — having served as the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee from 2009 until 2011, in addition to stints as Governor and Lieutenant Governor of Virginia after beginning his political career as the Mayor of Richmond.

Already upset Bernie Sanders supporters wasted no time in criticizing the choice. As the Washington Post reported:

…on Friday, Norman Solomon, the coordinator of a group billing itself as the Bernie Delegates Network, called Kaine “a loyal servant of oligarchy.”

“If Clinton has reached out to Bernie supporters, it appears that she has done so to stick triangulating thumbs in their eyes,” said Solomon, whose organization claims to represent hundreds of Sanders delegates attending the convention in Philadelphia but is not coordinating with the campaign.

RNC Chairman Reince Preibus released a statement about Clinton’s choice for veep:

“Hillary Clinton’s choice of Tim Kaine does nothing to unify a fractured Democrat base which is repelled by her dishonesty and cronyism,” said RNC Chairman Reince Priebus. “After spending last week pandering to grassroots Democrats with Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton has chosen someone who holds positions that she’s spent the entire primary trying to get to the left of.”

“Ultimately this is a ticket that represents one thing: four more years like the last eight, just with more corruption and scandal.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2016veep; clinton; hillary2016; kaine; timkaine; va2016; virginia
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To: PhilCollins

I gotta look at the EC map with Virginia in DEM column.
not sure Kaine will help much elsewhere.
without Obama, black turnout is lower in NC ... back in the GOP column


121 posted on 07/23/2016 8:41:23 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (moving out of CT in a few years)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I agree. Few possible choices would have helped in more than one state. An exception is Ken Salazar. He would helped her in his homestate, Colorado, and he would have increased Hispanic turnout in New Mexico and Florida.


122 posted on 07/23/2016 9:09:13 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: Impy; NFHale; campaignPete R-CT; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

I almost choked when I heard Kaine described as “Middle of the Road” by the local newscast. Until the uber-corrupt McAwful, Kaine was the most doctrinaire leftist Governor in the history of the Commonwealth of Virginia. He’s got a perfect pure-red Stalinist 100% record from the ACU, making him also the most radically leftist Senator in Virginia history.


123 posted on 07/23/2016 12:38:14 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; PhilCollins; Impy

this choice is making me wonder what Pence really brings to the ticket. Is he supposed to help in both WISC and OH?

Walker, would he have carried his own state or not necessarily? If Walker couldn’t carry WISC, how can Pence?
so it is OH and western PA? and the fundies in IA, CO, etc?

are NH ME CT all in play in a close election?


124 posted on 07/23/2016 12:43:45 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (moving out of CT in a few years)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; PhilCollins

Pence brings a stable conservative to the ticket. This was very necessary. It was not about helping win a state, it was about helping reassure conservatives in every state and the “party establishment” (and this is not a bad thing). The other 3 finalists were terrible and all could have done harm, Pence does no harm. I grade the choice an A/A-.

I think Walker would carry WI if he was the nominee, as a VP though, I don’t know if he would tip it. It does not appear that Walker was considered.

NH is in play and could be the difference, it’s slightly more rat than the nation so any but the narrowest GOP win (ala Bush in 2004 when it was the 2nd weakest Kerry state after WI, which was stolen) would likely include it. It’s very White so there is reason for hope though I said that last time.

Maine CD-2 MIGHT be in play, but I wouldn’t bet on it. The other E-votes, no way. CT!? Of course not!


125 posted on 07/23/2016 1:31:15 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery)
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To: Impy

I think previous models aren’t too accurate. Trump could do better in ME than NH. Trump-Pence is a good ticket for Maine.


126 posted on 07/23/2016 2:13:14 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (moving out of CT in a few years)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; fieldmarshaldj; Impy

I think that, since Ohio borders Indiana, Pence might help Trump win Ohio, but he won’t help in WI, PA, CO, or IA. Trump might win all of those states, but, if that happens, it won’t be because of Pence.

Yes, Walker would have helped Trump win WI.

I think that NH and ME are swing states, but Clinton will easily win CT.


127 posted on 07/23/2016 2:30:11 PM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; NFHale; ExTexasRedhead; stephenjohnbanker

That is quite an eyebrow raising choice.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?190900-3/state-union-response


128 posted on 07/23/2016 2:35:10 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The barbarians are inside because there are no gates)
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To: PhilCollins; Impy

wonder if Toomey woulda brought PA into Trumps column ...
or if there is anyone in NC that woulda helped Hillary


129 posted on 07/23/2016 3:54:52 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (moving out of CT in a few years)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy; campaignPete R-CT; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

“...pure-red Stalinist 100% record...”

That’s being a moderate to them.

And as for “The Punk” McAuliffe... Still can’t figure out how/why those good Southern folk elected that POS as Governor... weren’t they paying attention?


130 posted on 07/24/2016 6:35:00 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

The reason McAwful won (and with less than a majority of the vote, mind you), was because #1, the outgoing Republican Governor, McDonnell, who was under indictment and eventually convicted had seriously tarnished the party brand,

#2, GOP nominee Cuccinelli had gone through an ugly primary and the RINOs were more comfortable with McAwful,

#3, a Democrat/RINO phony, Robert Sarvis, ran 3rd party (Libertarian) for the express purpose of confusing GOP voters that he was a viable alternative to Cuccinelli. He did the same exact thing the next year in the Senate race, keeping Ed Gillespie from defeating Mark Warner, who similarly only won a plurality of the vote.

As for Ed Gillespie, he’s a strong contender for next year for Governor and will probably win this time.


131 posted on 07/24/2016 10:42:37 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: PhilCollins; Impy

I am lost in the past.
southern Maine musta swung even more liberal in the past 20 years. I think my idea of Maine as a swing state is a delusion. Trump could get CD-2


132 posted on 07/24/2016 6:11:51 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (moving out of CT in a few years)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; PhilCollins; ...

I’m rooting for previous models. If we have weird results like carrying Maine (CD-1 is out of the question, right? Portland? No way) but not NH (1960 is the last time Maine gave the Republican a higher % than NH), I’ll be out of sorts on election night.

TV shows with fake elections have weird results. “VEEP” had the Republican win MN and MI and DE! but lose Florida.

High third party vote could alter results, Maine is a big state for third party votes. Most polls I’ve seen having Johnson taking evenly, I’d say he takes more from us but possibly only slightly more, thank God. If the Green gets anywhere we could have net vote loss for Hillary from the third parties, maybe.


133 posted on 07/24/2016 7:58:04 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery)
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To: Impy; campaignPete R-CT; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj

I agree that third-parties do well in Maine. In 1992, Maine was the only state where Bush was third. Clinton was first and Perot was second.

I read that, usually, the strongest third-party presidential candidate takes votes from the incumbent party. In 2000, when the president was a Democrat, Nader got about 3%, helping a Republican win. In 1992, when a Republican was president, Perot got about 19%, helping a Democrat win. In 1968, when a Democrat was president, Wallace got 46 electoral votes, helping a Republican win.


134 posted on 07/25/2016 5:51:28 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: PhilCollins; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; campaignPete R-CT; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued

I say Nixon would have won the Wallace states of GA, LA, AL, and MS if Wallace hadn’t run and, They voted for him in 1972 and they voted for Goldwater in ‘64, so why the hell would have voted for HHH in 1968? HHH came in 2nd in MS (by a significant margin), AL, and LA but I don’t think that matters, most of that Wallace vote would go to Nixon. He may have won the remaining Wallace state of AR too, it went for Johnson in ‘64 but Nixon edged out HHH for second.

I think Nixon probably would have also taken MD which HHH carried by a couple points. I doubt the result of any Northern state would have changed despite anecdotal evidence that Wallace hurt HHH in the North.

1968 with no Wallace, easy Nixon win, says I.


135 posted on 07/25/2016 10:54:45 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery)
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To: PhilCollins; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; campaignPete R-CT; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued

There’s a lot of dem propaganda about how wonderful HHH was and a lot of wishful thinking about how he could have won, seems a weird guy to idolize to me. Funny, at the time he was not who the hippy idiots who worship now wanted, he was the choice of the party bosses.


136 posted on 07/25/2016 11:00:39 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery)
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To: Impy

Well, the general consensus was that HHH was a likeable guy on both sides of the aisle (recall the usually unflappable Jesse Helms telling the story of Humphrey’s final battle with cancer and he was crying like a baby - not exactly something one would do over say, Hillary or Manbearpig). Seeing him thoroughly enjoying himself at the un-PC Dean Martin Roasts showed a bit of his true character.

Alas, if only he’d been a Conservative...


137 posted on 07/26/2016 12:49:40 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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