Unarmed Behavior Therapist with his hands up shot by Police Officer (video)

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[Marie]

There is NO way to spin this. This is a very, very bad shoot. It's on video.

[freeandfreezing]

The burden is still on the black to obey the rules and not resist.

How can anyone "resist" less than laying on one's back with one's hands in the air? And trying to explain to the police what is going on - in this case care of a disabled young person.

[Cementjungle]

The media edited out the noise of the shot.

I didn't see him get shot... unless his arm didn't flinch at all when shot. Why would they edit it out? How much of the time sequence did they actually edit out... and why?

It may very well have gone exactly as the therapist and media says it went, I don't know. But, I have to wonder why the important portion of the story is being withheld from us.

Not that I don't trust the media, but we were told by witnesses that Michael Brown was shot in the back with his hands up. ABC news actually photoshopped Zimmerman's head to remove evidence of Trayvon's pounding his head in the pavement.

[Sivad]

I work for a private residential treatment facility for
teenaged at-risk boys who are diagnosed as severely
emotionally disturbed. These kids meet daily in group
sessions and weekly in private with their therapist. The
therapists are not hostage negotiators. Unless they have
built a good relationship with their clients they have
very limited ability to talk the escalated client down
from a crisis event. In this instance the cops had no
knowledge of the therapist or if he, indeed, was a real
therapist so one cop relied on whatever training told
him to shoot first and ask questions later. I see no
irony here.

[alternatives?]

I never saw the shots either. I don’t know why many so people jump to conclusions without the whole video.

[Godebert]

I didn’t see any shooting in the video. Did you?

[Cementjungle]

Oh, it gets worse. According to the police, the officer may have been aiming at the autistic man.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article90905442.html

How do you come up with that theory when the video doesn't show the shooting, or anything in the undetermined amount of time before the shooting. It doesn't show WHO did the shooting... or anything really.

What I DO see however... is that there was shooting, someone has a video of it but they are NOT showing us the video. Instead, they are asking us to believe what they say despite not being allowed to see the evidence.

[Dr. Sivana]

I see no irony here.

I'm sorry. I was too flip concerning a very serious situation.

I prefer not to view the video, but the unrebutted assertion that the victim of the policeman's bad shoot did everything he could to cooperate makes everything harder for other policeman who rely on the good will and cooperation of the general public to do their job.

There's always talk about how valuable teachers are, and that they are underpaid. You rarely hear about the compensation of the local policeman, and from what I've seen of job postings, they aren't exactly raking it in (except maybe the ones who get scads of overtime and various types of double-dipping, which is a different discussion).

If salaries have to be increased in order to reassign or dismiss those officers who are not suited for these kinds of disturbances and get better candidates to replace them, then increase them.

[Lower Deck]

I didn’t see any shooting in the video. Did you?

So is it your contention that nobody was shot and it's all a big hoax? Or that he was shot and someone other than the police shot him?

[The Continental Op]

There’s no shooting on the video as far as I can see. So, how the heck can anyone say what happened?

[The Continental Op]

I just read some other story on this. The guy shot says “I thought it was a mosquito sting at first.” Seriously? What did he shoot him with? Was it an actual round or rounds, or some sort of non-lethal rubber shot? Video just doesn’t show a heck of a lot. Is anybody saying the guy was actually on the ground when shot? Where was he hit? Did he get up before being shot? If so, what did he do if anything. Lots more needed.

[arthurus]

So you are right. The man wasn’t shot and is just trying to get sympahty. The cops are lying. The witnesses are lying. The therapst is lying. The autistic guy is lying. Again- what is your explanation of why this was a good shoot? Or are you just denying that the man was shot?

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

I said it was a "bad shoot." That being said blacks still have a duty to obey the law and cooperate-not resist-with the police. Blacks are not a class above the law even if they think they are. Indeed a respectable argument could be made that the black is our societies criminal element. If this offends; too bad!

I can't blame the police as blacks have taken it upon themselves to kill police for a largely phony grievance-(Ferguson story by BLM is an out right lie)-and any police officer in his right mind given today's killings, if there is any weird movement, would shoot first and ask questions later.

[RinaseaofDs]

Unlucky. The report given to dispatch was that there was a gun spotted.

How many dead cops in the last two weeks? I imagine most are getting a case of the jitters.

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

I doubt the whole video was shown and in that sense I agree with you. However, there will be plenty of witnesses; i.e. doctors, testifying he had a gunshot wound. It looks like a “bad shoot” by a scared cop.

[walkingdead]

Absolutely amazing. I cannot begin to describe how terrible this was.

We all should be very worried seeing things like this. Here we had an upstanding AMERICAN CITIZEN, who’s lifes work was helping autistic individuals, lying on the ground, complying with everything, not worrying a ton about himself, instead worrying about his autistic patient and what does our law enforcement do? They shoot him. Literally shoot him, and do it long after initial contact.

This officer should be charged with pre-meditated attempted murder, and nothing short should suffice. Secondarily, the other police officers should be dealing him some swift “on the side” justice.

If we are to be truly free men and women, we need to fix this. The whole of the police force may need to be purged, the training reviewed, and new requirements set. This is absolutely appalling, and again should frighten every true American.

I will leave all FReepers with this. If you review this, and believe this was anywhere near ok, then I do not consider you one of my countrymen.

[longtermmemmory]

The man was doing what he was supposed to be doing. hands up. fingers extended lying on ground.

This officer flinched or has a hair trigger on his sidearm.

[Marie]

That’s not MY theory. That’s one theory put forth by the police department.

I was trying to find *some* statement from the PD to see what they said about this and that’s what they said. Not me.

My answer to that is, “How would shooting a clearly disabled person for ‘failure to comply’ be any better than shooting an unarmed man with his hands up?”

BOTH possibilities are unconscionable.

There’s NO excuse for this shooting.

[Paradox]

"Cop thought he was the rapist."

Nice....

[SleepySimon]

’ “I thought it was a mosquito sting at first.” Seriously? What did he shoot him with?’

Some people are lucky and can only process so much pain at one moment. A clean thru-and-thru flesh wound from a rifle striking no bone also helps. I’ve read other accounts from people that said they didn’t even know they had been shot at first. I always boggle but I have no reason to doubt.

[walkingdead]

Shooting soft tissue, with a .223/5.56 using FMJ’s, is like poking something with an ice pick. Esecially with todays 1:7 to 1:9 twist rifles, no one is running the true 1:12 that was originally developed to get that bullet to yaw early.