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Donald Trump Sets Conditions for Defending NATO Allies Against Attack (Praises Erdogan!)
New York Times ^ | JULY 20, 2016 | By DAVID E. SANGER and MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 07/21/2016 5:02:26 AM PDT by Eurotwit

For example, asked about Russia’s threatening activities that have unnerved the small Baltic States that are among the more recent entrants into NATO, Mr. Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing whether those nations “have fulfilled their obligations to us.”

Mr. Trump had nothing but praise for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the country’s increasingly authoritarian but democratically elected leader. “I give great credit to him for being able to turn that around,” Mr. Trump said of the coup attempt on Friday night. “Some people say that it was staged, you know that,” he said. “I don’t think so.”

Asked if Mr. Erdogan was exploiting the coup attempt to purge his political enemies, Mr. Trump did not call for the Turkish leader to observe the rule of law, or Western standards of justice. “When the world sees how bad the United States is and we start talking about civil liberties, I don’t think we are a very good messenger,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2016issues; artofthedeal; baltics; erdogan; manafort; muslimworld; nato; praise; putin; trump; trumpforeignpolicy; turkey
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To: GnuThere

Also what I’ve seen has suggested the coup may have been lead by more extreme Islamists than currently in power. I don’t know if true but ...


61 posted on 07/21/2016 7:13:44 AM PDT by enduserindy (Republican's have sold the path, not lost it.)
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To: refermech

Where are his advisors?


62 posted on 07/21/2016 7:14:28 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: GnuThere

““Some people say that it was staged, you know that,” he said. “I don’t think so.””

The act that he mentioned that has meaning. He is the master of the “some people say....” which of course, nobody can accuse him of saying it.


63 posted on 07/21/2016 7:16:58 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: Eurotwit

Make nice until our nukes and troops are secure again. Make nice so we can still fly into Turkey. Sometimes you have to play the game as much as it disgusts you.


64 posted on 07/21/2016 7:22:21 AM PDT by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Eurotwit

I was rooting for the coup to succeed, but I imagine Trump might have seen it as a source of even more instability in a part of the world that has already way too much of it.

I could easily see that as a valid point.


65 posted on 07/21/2016 7:24:17 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: BlackAdderess

He made that little jab about the coup being staged so it’s out there and can’t be taken back. Even though he followed up that he didn’t think it was, the idea is on the table which he can use when he needs to.


66 posted on 07/21/2016 7:27:14 AM PDT by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Eurotwit

That is not what I wanted to hear from Trump. Erdogan is the closest thing to Hitler Europe has had since WWII.


67 posted on 07/21/2016 7:27:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I agree.

And, Turkey under Erdogan is working hard to develop their own nukes.

Imagine this nutcase with nukes.

It’s not looking good for Europe or the region.


68 posted on 07/21/2016 7:29:13 AM PDT by Eurotwit (One has to meet violent force with superior violent force, period.)
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To: Eurotwit

And now, all those Muslim refugees in Europe, they will be Erdogan’s foot soldiers.


69 posted on 07/21/2016 7:30:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tax-chick

Trump and the black dog Erdogan, now there’s a vision for America’s future! Does Trump do this on purpose or is he just a dangerous idiot? He didn’t have to say a darn thing!


70 posted on 07/21/2016 7:45:17 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: dfwgator

He is already using the flood of refugees to blackmail Europe.


71 posted on 07/21/2016 7:46:01 AM PDT by Eurotwit (One has to meet violent force with superior violent force, period.)
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To: Eurotwit

>>As for his praise for Erdogan?

Consistent with his inability to articulate the fundamental principles of America’s secular ideology.

Every American leader should read and understand the context this...

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=errors+ceasing+to+be+dangerous+when+it+is+permitted+freely+to+contradict+them

...was constituted in.


72 posted on 07/21/2016 7:49:50 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Eurotwit


"EDUCATE THE COMMON PEOPLE LEADERSHIP

THIS IT IS THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE FREEPER TO EFFECT AND ON A GENERAL PLAN"

73 posted on 07/21/2016 7:52:45 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: ErikJohnsky

> he does need to stop pandering to the Ron/Rand Paul and Pat Buchanan crowd with regard to foreign policy.

They’re the only crowd with a sane approach to foreign policy.

If this permanent war madness is the policy you support, you’re going to find yourself increasingly out of step with the American people - who are sick and tired of the brutal global nonsense and the breathtaking expense and lives lost and liberties lost - as you no doubt are experiencing so far.


74 posted on 07/21/2016 7:53:09 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("... and if a million more agree, there ain't no Great Society")
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To: Kolokotronis

As far as I can tell from the analysis on this thread, Mr. Trump’s level of international gamesmanship and cognitive sophistication is so far above that of the ordinary Southern housewife or Greek gentleman that you and I might as well just sit here and *drink* rather than risk being blinded by the sublime brilliance.

It’s suppertime in Ankara, so name your poison!


75 posted on 07/21/2016 7:53:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("How sad for civilization." ~ hal ogen)
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To: Eurotwit

There is no justification for NATO’s continued existence past the fall of the Berlin Wall, and this becomes clearer with every NATO intervention and wargame and threat issued.


76 posted on 07/21/2016 7:55:14 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("... and if a million more agree, there ain't no Great Society")
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To: Eurotwit
"As for NATO, I agree that everyone need to pay they fair share for being under the American defense umbrella, however, calling article 5 under question when particularly the Baltic states are under Russian pressure is NOT a good idea. "

FANTASTIC opening position in forcing NATO countries to meet their obligations. At this point, they have no incentive, since big daddy USA will bail them out no matter what. It is national welfare for NATO now. Trump is communicating that if both sides do not keep their agreement, it isn't much of an agreement.

77 posted on 07/21/2016 7:58:12 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Kolokotronis

I will take option # 2.


78 posted on 07/21/2016 8:06:46 AM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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To: Eurotwit

I’ve been a bit bothered by this, but then it is the NY Times and I think the full quotes could be edited and no full context. Wait for more, but Trump needs to record all interviews he does for backup.


79 posted on 07/21/2016 8:20:34 AM PDT by VermithraxPejorative (HILLARY NEEDS TO ANSWER FOR DEMOCRAT JUDGES SOFT ON CRIME/REPEAT OFFENDERS)
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To: Tax-chick

ThoughtCrime!


80 posted on 07/21/2016 8:22:57 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (This posting is a microaggression.)
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