Posted on 07/12/2016 2:50:01 AM PDT by Dundee
Uh oh.
Yeah but the PRC will just renounce the treaty and the court. China will keep building and fortifying “new islands” and who’s going to stop them? It’s certainly not worthwhile for the USA to get in the middle of this, no matter how bad China’s behavior is here. There will be noise and bluster from various nations, but what is going to change?
I don’t see China backing down. They will renounce the treaty and continue on their own way. The other countries will squawk but only the USA could stop them, and are we going to go to war over some stupid reefs?? I don’t think so.....
True that
Maybe the UN will be shocked
>> Yeah but the PRC will just renounce the treaty and the court.
True. I didn’t claim that the Hague had the ability to enforce their authority.. only that China had ceded authority in this matter to them.
Its not the reefs, its the sea lanes they sit upon.
Freedom of navigation has been a core interest of the United States from the founding.
We have fought Britain (War of 1812), France (Quasi-War), the Barbary Pirates, and Germans (WWI), and Japan either all or partly over freedom of navigation issues.
Whether or not the Chinese back down depends upon the Chicom Party Central Military Commission and the Politburo. If General Secretary Xi can maintain their support, they won’t back down.
They may wait to see what Trump wants to do, or they may go ahead and strike now while we have a weak President (but one who has been willing to use force, albeit petulantly and unpredictably).
yes, I do know that, but to the public it will seem like only a few reefs, if people even notice or care..... it’s a difficult place to take a stand.
Why doesn’t the US just provide technical know-how and support and equipment to the countries disputing China’s claim so that they can do the same thing China is doing and built their own island up and militarize them?
Match China move for move and tit for tat.
Then China will be in the same position of whether or not to try and attack a fortified island.
In the aftermath of the lawless, 3rd-world, banana republic
ruling in Hillary’s email matter, this US administration has NO moral authority telling China (or any other country) what to do.
at present, there is no US. there is only the black tyrant holding on for dear life running out the clock
So what’s the alternative? Should America claim the entire Atlantic and Pacific?
Someone is trying real hard to start WWIII.
Since U.S. President Barack Obama took office, “Pivot to Asia” has become one of Washington’s political pursuits and military strategies. The disputes between China and the Philippines over the South China Sea, which was provoked by former Philippine President Aquino III, came just in time as it offered Washington a good excuse and easy approach to return to the region.
In January 2013, the Philippines unilaterally initiated arbitral proceedings on the South China Sea issue. To circumvent the law, it secretly changed relative concepts, deliberately separated the Nansha Islands, and asked the tribunal to issue an award over the legal status and maritime claims of some of the islands and reefs that belong to the Nansha Islands as a whole.
What Aquino III did was a clear violation of international law. However, Washington chose to ignore the facts and the law, giving full support to its flunkey in Asia without hesitation.
So, we can tell that Washington has taken sides from the very beginning. What has it done before and behind the curtain then? Generally, it took four kinds of actions.
First, colluding with its allies to rubbish China.
Regarding the South China Sea arbitration, U.S. government officials and media have expressed many negative opinions of China, so as to portray Beijing as a “violator” of international order. U.S. Secretary of Defense Ash Carter used to say in public that China’s activity in the South China Sea could lead to a “great wall of self-isolation.” Japan, as an ally of Washington, was also active and enthusiastic in helping the U.S. to suppress China.
Second, showing off military force and putting pressure on China.
The U.S. has been stepping up military actions in the South China Sea recently. Particularly, in the middle of June, two U.S. aircraft carriers, the USS John C. Stennis and USS Ronald Reagan, launched joint operations in the South China Sea, staging a show of force aimed at China.
In the meantime, Japan also launched joint military exercises with the Philippines and conducted arms sales with the latter, which is meant to put pressure on China. On July 8, Washington and Seoul jointly announced the deployment of the THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) systems in South Korea, and the ulterior motive behind it was obvious enough.
Third, playing China and ASEAN countries off each other.
Chu Yin, a research fellow at the Center for China and Globalization said that “the U.S. escalates the tensions in the South China Sea with an essential purpose of containing China.” For the U.S., sabotaging the relations between China and ASEAN countries is an effective way to hinder China’s development, apart from being a best solution with low cost and high efficiency to increase Southeast Asian countries’ dependence on it.
Fourth, manipulating the international arbitration tribunal and complicating the South China Sea issues into a “dead knot.”
Once the arbitration tribunal makes a verdict against China, it will amount to fulfilling the U.S. purpose, putting an end to the tranquility in the South China Sea. In that case, the prospects for China-Philippine disputes to get resolved peacefully will be reduced.
In addition, the United States has been calculating the timing and progress of the arbitration. Initially, the U.S. had the press leak the message that the arbitration result would be announced on July 7, making all involved parties tense. Later on June 29, the secretariat of arbitration tribunal said July 12 would be the date when the verdict on the concrete issues of the Philippine-led arbitration on the South China Sea would be made public.
The timing of the announcement totally reflected the U.S. calculations as June 30 was the date that the new Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte was to be sworn in. Picking this date to announce the verdict represents no more than a backing up of the new Philippine government, a move that the U.S. hopes will minimize the possible improvement between China-Philippine relations.
The U.S. actions near China, particularly those on the South China Sea issues, are part of its Asia-Pacific Rebalance strategies. Its intentions are no more than containing China to preserve its interests in the Asia-Pacific region and its global hegemony.
The U.S. motives are apparent to the world, especially to the Chinese people. The current China is nothing like the country it was one hundred years ago. Any act that tries to violate China’s territorial sovereignty will fail.
“Now let him enforce it.”
“They won’t care. They will ignore it”
That’s right.
I was stunned the Chinese Communists had even agreed to participate in this.
To them it is settled and has always been settled. No other authority can decide this in their mind.
But while the decision is legally binding, there is no mechanism for enforcing it, and China, which refused to participate in the tribunal’s proceedings, reiterated on Tuesday that it would not abide by it. “The award is invalid and has no binding force,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. “China does not accept or recognize it.”This makes more sense. I couldn't believe China ever agreed to this and it turns out they didn't.
I do, though, think other's comments that China signed on to recognize this authority is the problem.
My opinion is that the Court is clearly correct in that China does not own the entire South China Sea.
But I certainly do not recognize that court's authority.
F*** China. They’re nothing but a bunch of imperialists hiding behind a little red book.
How you can defend these bandits laying claim to islands that are hundreds of miles from China and yet visible from the Philippine main islands defies logic. Next you’re going to tell us how China has ‘historic rights’ to the Channel Islands off of California, right?
That guy us a fifty cent army.
If he’s not he should be.
A Chinese Communist propagandist on the internet.
Pretty considerable since they have a max speed north of 60 MPH...
Your hero Duterte is self described socialist who loves China and thinks Xi is a great leader.
Maybe you should head over to a Maoist blog.
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