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Phyllis Schlafly vs. Article V
Article V Blog ^ | June 17, 2016 | Rodney Dodsworth

Posted on 06/18/2016 11:08:48 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll

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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
What you state is not an answer. It is the left wing quality of the legislatures of the states I named; i.e. California, Illinois etc. etc. You are delivering our Republic right into the hands of extreme leftists all for purposes of following some slogan.

Any proposed amendment would still need ratification, which requires 3/4 State approval either in the Senate or in a separate ratification convention. (IIRC the only time the ratification convention was used was to repeal Prohibition.)

41 posted on 06/18/2016 12:54:41 PM PDT by Edward.Fish
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"but not scrapping it"

Who is suggesting that (other than Phyllis)?

42 posted on 06/18/2016 1:07:12 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Edward.Fish
"requires 3/4 State approval either in the Senate"

Not quite. 3/4's of the state legislatures.

43 posted on 06/18/2016 1:09:14 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Convoke a convention and everything is on the table and up for grabs. Whatever it is that you want -- indirect election of senators or whatever -- you aren't going to get it from any convention that could happen nowadays.

I hope you didn't write the article yourself. It's whack-a-doodle:

For instance, as individuals, we have the natural and God-given right to defend ourselves. The Second Amendment grants nothing. The 2A merely acknowledges a preexisting right.

Well, no. People all over the world have a "natural and God-given right" to defend themselves. They don't have the Second Amendment (and we may not have it that much longer ourselves). Written laws and constitutions do matter. The natural rights you think you have aren't respected by governments without written guarantees.

44 posted on 06/18/2016 1:14:57 PM PDT by x
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"Convoke a convention and everything is on the table and up for grabs."

Theoretically perhaps, but ratification is still required after the Convention is over. I see no reason to expect a Convention to be more radical than Congress already is, and Congress has never passed a proposed amendment to delete the 2nd. Even if either tried, the state legislatures, as a whole, are much more conservative and would never ratify such a thing.

45 posted on 06/18/2016 1:22:20 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Ping


46 posted on 06/18/2016 1:25:13 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade ( America's Party! Tom Hoefling/Steve Schulin 2016)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
What the article says, that governments can't take away natural rights isn't really true. The rights that you think you have by nature here aren't enjoyed by people in other countries because they aren't written into law and people aren't going to assert them against the government. Not recognizing that indicates something wrong with the writer's logic. Schlafly's right in recognizing that the pipe dream of a new convention would only bring chaos.

But what makes you think a convention could agree about anything? First of all, Democrat and Republican states wouldn't agree about anything important. Secondly, you wouldn't get what you want from Republican conventions or state legislatures.

47 posted on 06/18/2016 1:46:05 PM PDT by x
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Ah, thank you for the correction.


48 posted on 06/18/2016 2:06:28 PM PDT by Edward.Fish
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To: Da Bilge Troll
We still have a Congress, a President and a Supreme Court, for instance. We still hold elections every 2 years. So far, 0bama has not overstayed his term limit.

Actually a congress and court exist but I hardly think they are ours. As far as overstaying we have the very best situation in this cycle to actually start an uprising then all bets are off.

As far as elections are concerned..

It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. Joseph Stalin


I think this election will tell us if Joe was right.

49 posted on 06/18/2016 2:32:22 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump kills PC-Hillary kills USA-Pick one.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
<>Ah, yes. The old "our current Constitution is illegitimate and illegal" argument.<>

Here is a related column from the same source that deals with your point.

50 posted on 06/18/2016 3:02:32 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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Government can violate, but not take away natural rights.

Your post surprises me. It refutes our Founders’ reasons for Declaring independence.


51 posted on 06/18/2016 3:19:10 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Not mere words. The state’s have to ratify any proposed amendment. There is the ultimate check and balance. Your argument is specious and beyond that dangerous. If the state’s are not empowered to overrule the federal government soon AND recover their voice in DC, the Republic is likely finished and with that the world will be plunged into war. Compared to what is happening right now, the invasion of islamists, the marxist courts, the lawlessness of all branches of government especially the unelected agencies, the islamist fifth column at the highest levels of government that facilitates the invasion and prevents America from defending herself, there is no risk at all to a convention of states. Get over your fear. Fight for Article V or the nation is likely finished.


52 posted on 06/18/2016 8:45:55 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Not my argument but it is the argument of those conservatives who are opposed.


53 posted on 06/18/2016 9:53:50 PM PDT by arthurus (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mohammed-Charlemagne-Revisited-History-Controversy/dp/0578094185/ref)
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To: Nuc 1.1
If the states reject a proposed amendment then the convention was a waste of time. Plus never never overlook the power of a media boom in favor of a bad amendment.

It is easier to elect people who respect our constitutional principles than to propose a wise amendment.

Our demographics are quite different today than they were in 1789. You could get an amendment to take the vote from white males and it could pass. California's government is virtually all Mexican from top to bottom. Other states are flooded with aliens; i.e. Somali's Pakistani's, Arabs all who hate us. We may pretend race does not count but they know better and ACT upon racial discrimination.

People hear "Constitutional Convention" and think "all our problems are solved" NONSENSE a Pandora's box would be opened. Leave it alone.

54 posted on 06/19/2016 8:22:49 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
I completely disagree that it would be a waste of time even if the amendments are not ratified. And I am not a bit afraid of the propaganda media. They are held in utter contempt by the vast majority of the people.

As to electing people who respect constitutional principles, hogwash. We have been electing people who promise fealty to the constitution. The roll back of government. Reigning in the federal courts. And the repeal of noxious laws. And we we were lied to straight to our faces. Every election. It is clear our "leadership" has no moral underpinning. There will be no correcting this situation by electing politicians. Thus it will fall to other methodologies to correct this situation.

As to the aliens, all illegal aliens should be thrown out. All aliens brought in over the last sixteen by color of law should be thrown out too. The democrats brought aliens into this country to destroy the United States and raise a socialist state in its place. Copperheads all and the pubbies too. Lincoln knew well how to deal with them.

The idea that a Convention of States is a Pandora's Box is an argument I have heard over and over again. It is an illogical argument based upon fear of the unknown. What people should fear is the status quo. Doing nothing ensures our destruction. While a convention of states provides a slim chance of averting our destruction. While all must make their own choice, I will take the slim chance the Convention of States provides us over no chance at all.

55 posted on 06/19/2016 5:40:22 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

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56 posted on 06/19/2016 11:29:52 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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"The rights that you think you have by nature here aren't enjoyed by people in other countries"

I believe you are missing the founders' point when they say, "unalienable". Just because a government tramples your rights does not remove them from you. That's why the 2nd Amendment is worded the way it is, for instance.

"But what makes you think a convention could agree about anything?"

If that is the greatest risk we face from a convention, isn't it worth that risk to try (as opposed to doing nothing)?

57 posted on 06/20/2016 7:25:44 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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