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Trump, Clinton, Sanders and the anti-Semites
Israel Hayom ^ | 6-7-16 | Richard Baehr

Posted on 06/07/2016 4:44:12 AM PDT by SJackson

In the past few weeks, there have been a series of stories by Jewish writers about ‎what happened to them when they seemingly unleashed the fury of right-wing anti-‎Semites online by writing something deemed unfriendly toward or critical of ‎Donald Trump, or in one case, his wife, Melania.

The toxic response from the angry ‎internet/social media mob, now commonly described as part of the alt-right ‎‎(alternative right) movement, has seemed to confirm what writers on the Left have ‎believed for a long time: that while the Left may be critical of Israel, or its settlement ‎policy, or of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, these criticisms reflected nothing ‎more than policy differences. If you want to look for anti-Semites, they are on the Right, not the Left. Now it seems they have come out of their caves, attracted by -- as ‎some seem to think -- one of their own. ‎

The charge that Trump himself is an anti-Semite is ludicrous. People who know ‎him, his family, his business associates or his company's employees can ‎quickly disprove that charge. If Trump were an anti-Semite, on the same ‎wavelength as his ugliest backers, by now he would have disinherited his daughter ‎Ivanka, or distanced himself from her, her husband, Jared Kushner, and their ‎children. After all, Ivanka converted to Judaism, a Modern Orthodox version no ‎less, and keeps a kosher home and is Shabbat observant.

But for those who ‎want to label Trump a fascist or Nazi, also false characterizations, sticking anti-‎Semite into the brew is helpful. There are plenty of ways to criticize Trump without ‎sticking a label on him that does not fit.‎

This month's Commentary magazine has perhaps the most serious article on the new alt-right phenomenon and its anti-Semitic character: "Trump's Terrifying Online ‎Brigades" by James Kirchik. The article begins with the story of GQ writer Julia Ioffe, whose ‎profile of Melania Trump, a mixed review for sure, was certainly not a great ‎surprise for what one would expect of any mainstream glossy publication's profile ‎of the wife of the hated presumptive Republican nominee. The mainstream media ‎largely has no use for Republicans in any year, but especially none for ‎Trump. If one expected a puff piece fitting the publication, as one would surely see ‎for a profile of Michelle Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Hillary Clinton, Jane Sanders or Jill ‎Biden, one would have to believe that the "soft" popular magazine press is less ‎orthodox liberal in its orientation and more interested in balance than the major ‎networks, public radio and television, and newspapers. ‎

In any case, the assault on Ioffe was outrageous, ugly, and scary. This was not the ‎only such recent incident. New York Times writer Jonathan Weisman experienced a ‎similar Twitter assault [LINK experienced a ‎similar Twitter assault: after retweeting an article by Robert Kagan on emerging ‎fascism in the United States. Kagan's article and its conclusion are certainly debatable ‎and rejectable, but again the attacks on Weisman were anti-Semitic to the core. Bethany Mandel had a similar recent experience, and ‎there are sure to be more before the current presidential campaign is over. ‎Without question, Trump's campaign seems to have opened the door to nasty anti-‎Semites to join the "pubic discourse."‎

Of course, as anyone who witnessed the attack on Trump supporters at the ‎University of Illinois in Chicago or in San Jose, California, this week, it is obvious ‎that horrible conduct and actions by those who do not care for Trump is as ‎egregious, if not more so, given the real physical assaults that occurred, as the ‎threats from Trump supporters appearing online. Much as those on the Left have ‎sought to excuse the violence perpetrated on Trump supporters by Mexican-flag ‎waving, American flag-burning mobs as Trump's fault for his provocative ‎comments that incite certain minority groups, there have also been arguments that ‎the wave of online anti-Semitic attacks on writers critical of Trump proves that ‎anti-Semitism is only a problem on the Right.‎

Kirchik put it this way:‎ ‎"While it's certainly true that most of Trump's ‎supporters are neither racists nor anti-Semites, it ‎appears to be the case that all of the racists and ‎anti-Semites in this country (and many beyond) ‎support Trump."‎

The conclusion is, to put it simply, ridiculous. Is ‎Kirchik unaware of anti-Semitism among ‎America's largest minority groups, especially ‎African-Americans and Hispanics (particularly new ‎immigrants from Latin America), as well as ‎among Muslims? The Anti-Defamation ‎League conducts regular surveys of Americans ‎by group and of populations in foreign countries ‎to identify how many people hold anti-Semitic ‎views‎. If one responds to certain questions with certain ‎responses -- Jews are too powerful, Jews control ‎Wall Street, Jews control the media, Jews always ‎think accumulation of money is paramount, Jews ‎are untrustworthy -- then this fits a classic anti-‎Semitic profile. The United States has one of the ‎lowest anti-Semitic scores in the world, 9%. But ‎it is more than double that among African-‎Americans and Hispanics and many times as high ‎among Muslims. If only the white ‎population is considered, the anti-Semitism rate in America is ‎about 4%.‎

Does Kirchik really believe that the anti-Semites ‎identified in the ADL survey, who number in the ‎tens of millions if the survey results are extrapolated to the general ‎population, are all Trump supporters? One ‎wonders how this line made it through his ‎Commentary editors. Is Kirchik unfamiliar with ‎the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Rev. ‎Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, or the ‎incendiary anti-Semitism often found on black ‎talk radio? ‎

What we likely have is a phenomenon where the ‎right-wing anti-Semites are very comfortable in ‎the social media universe, and their bile ‎is now directed at anything that maligns ‎Trump. But because these writers who have ‎taken on Trump have not heard from anti-Semites ‎on the Left does not mean they do not exist.‎

In the past few days, Hillary Clinton, perhaps ‎aware that new Trump supporters are created ‎whenever a vicious attack on current Trump ‎supporters gets a lot of media play (as occurred ‎with the San Jose violence), called on opponents ‎of Trump to avoid violence in the future. ‎President Barack Obama did the same. Bernie Sanders ‎has made a similar appeal in recent weeks. But ‎these appeals are as likely to go unheeded as ‎would be any calls from Trump for the ‎right-wing anti-Semites to stop harassing writers ‎who are critical of the presumptive Republican nominee and happen to be ‎Jewish. ‎

An ugliness not seen in a presidential campaign ‎since perhaps 1968 threatens to make the two ‎convention sites, Cleveland and Philadelphia, ‎hazardous work for local police and the ‎reinforcements they rely on to keep the peace. ‎Any large Trump rally in hostile territory (cities ‎with large minority populations) will be a ‎potential powder keg. A large segment of the ‎American population, feeling disenfranchised or ‎unrepresented, or just mad at the world, or ‎angered by the opposing candidate, are taking to ‎the streets -- both the actual ones and the online ‎highways. And neither side has a monopoly on ‎the bad actors.


TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; Politics/Elections; US: New York; US: Vermont; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2016election; berniesanders; election2016; israel; newyork; trump; vermont; waronterror
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1 posted on 06/07/2016 4:44:12 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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2 posted on 06/07/2016 4:45:53 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: SJackson

“rump”? Is this a cooking thread?


3 posted on 06/07/2016 4:46:16 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity?)
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To: SJackson

I read about three paragraphs and seceded this was another “Trump is evil and his supporters are worse” column .
I have seen at least fortyleven of these and ninetyleben TV “News” shows devotes to this.
HoHum.


4 posted on 06/07/2016 4:55:02 AM PDT by Tupelo (we vote - THEY decide.)
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To: SJackson
.. for those who ‎want to label Trump a fascist or Nazi, also false characterizations, sticking anti-‎Semite into the brew is helpful ..

Only in their own minds. 'Anti semite' these days has the same effect as 'racist' or 'chauvinist.' You feel embarrassed for those desperate enough to believe such misapplied cliches have meaning.

5 posted on 06/07/2016 5:01:40 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (We cannot allow Hillary Clinton to become the next Angela Merkel)
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To: SJackson

bfl


6 posted on 06/07/2016 5:06:48 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God and devil are fighting, and the battlefield is the heart of every man." - Fyodor Dostoevsky)
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To: SJackson

Those who are pretty fanatic about maintaining Israel as an ally and fighting against Israel’s enemies are determined to b,e by the fact of their support, anti-Semites?


7 posted on 06/07/2016 6:04:30 AM PDT by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberalsoli o feccia.)
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To: SJackson

Yawn.


8 posted on 06/07/2016 6:10:28 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Like herpes, Cruz can always flare up again. Treat with Trump.)
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To: SJackson

Much of the alt right community online is full of
LARPers...who more than anything strive to troll and offend.
There are a few well-known twitter personalities who write very irreverent and seemingly anti-semetic posts, who one of my children knows... and are irl... jewish.

Their targets are often jews... but jewish people on the left, feminists,globalists or the never Trumpers, like Ben Shapiro.
I realize on the surface it may seem very offensive to some, but these kids work in groups in private messaging streams to come up with new memes that they think are funny. And not everyone involved, including my own child is producing this stuff...there are a lot of lurkers.

I have observed that some of the targeted personalities, like Ben Shapiro... actively engage with them, as it’s giving them more news traffic. The relationship is therefore symbiotic.

Yes, there are also some actual neo-nazi’s who pump this stuff out as well, but they tend to focus on race issues, and are not involved in the meme streams.


9 posted on 06/07/2016 6:11:20 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: SJackson; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Eleutheria5; Netz; jjotto; LucyT; Yaelle; miss marmelstein; ...
Kirchik put it this way:‎ ‎"While it's certainly true that most of Trump's ‎supporters are neither racists nor anti-Semites, it ‎appears to be the case that all of the racists and ‎anti-Semites in this country (and many beyond) ‎support Trump."‎

The conclusion is, to put it simply, ridiculous. Is ‎Kirchik unaware of anti-Semitism among ‎America's largest minority groups, especially ‎African-Americans and Hispanics (particularly new ‎immigrants from Latin America), as well as ‎among Muslims? The Anti-Defamation ‎League conducts regular surveys of Americans ‎by group and of populations in foreign countries ‎to identify how many people hold anti-Semitic ‎views‎. If one responds to certain questions with certain ‎responses -- Jews are too powerful, Jews control ‎Wall Street, Jews control the media, Jews always ‎think accumulation of money is paramount, Jews ‎are untrustworthy -- then this fits a classic anti-‎Semitic profile. The United States has one of the ‎lowest anti-Semitic scores in the world, 9%. But ‎it is more than double that among African-‎Americans and Hispanics and many times as high ‎among Muslims. If only the white ‎population is considered, the anti-Semitism rate in America is ‎about 4%.

Does Kirchik really believe that the anti-Semites ‎identified in the ADL survey, who number in the ‎tens of millions if the survey results are extrapolated to the general ‎population, are all Trump supporters? One ‎wonders how this line made it through his ‎Commentary editors. Is Kirchik unfamiliar with ‎the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Rev. ‎Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, or the ‎incendiary anti-Semitism often found on black ‎talk radio?

Richard Baehr, the author of the posted article, is right on target here, as far as he goes.

But, as a matter of classification of political ideologies, I'm not sure if I would call Trump a "right-wing" candidate, nor would I necessarily classify the antisemitic Trump supporters as "right-wing."

It surely works to the left's advantage to call them "right-wing," as it scares off potential Trump voters by painting Trump's candidacy as a "fascist" movement.

IMHO, the Trump candidacy is neither "right-wing" nor "left-wing," but rather a populist amalgam of proposals from both. ‎

10 posted on 06/07/2016 6:12:23 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Katya; All
LARPers? What does LARP stand for?
11 posted on 06/07/2016 6:15:11 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Tupelo

Took my four sentences...heh heh


12 posted on 06/07/2016 6:21:36 AM PDT by hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998
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To: justiceseeker93

Live Action Role Playing... lol You know when people dress up in gear and fake fight... it’s what they themselves call what they’re doing


13 posted on 06/07/2016 6:34:49 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: justiceseeker93

Live action role-playing


14 posted on 06/07/2016 6:41:31 AM PDT by hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998
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To: justiceseeker93

And try Bernie Sanders supporters on the campuses.


15 posted on 06/07/2016 6:42:53 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: Katya
Live Action Role Playing... lol You know when people dress up in gear and fake fight... it’s what they themselves call what they’re doing.

Even if these LARPers think of what they are doing as a joke, it's pretty sick on their part. Unmistakably offensive antisemitic comments that they send should not be taken lightly.

No, I'm not asking the government to ban them as hate speech. But moderators of the web sites that they post on should be diligent in policing them to the best of their capability.

16 posted on 06/07/2016 6:55:57 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
"all of the racists and anti-Semites in this country (and many beyond) support Trump"

Not True.

Virtually all muslims are both racist anti-Semites and oppose Trump.

Virtually all leftist Palestinian supporters are both racist anti-Semites and oppose Trump.

17 posted on 06/07/2016 8:21:12 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (This posting is a microaggression.)
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To: justiceseeker93

this is really just a twitter and 4chan channel phenom...I understand what you’re saying.. and I was initially appalled. Once I was explained who some of the players were, it made a bit more sense. Can a semite be anti-semetic?

For ex: the use of the triple parentheses... as designating members of the tribe... is now also being used by the people they’re denigrating, to counter the slur. However, a few of the individuals who were originally using it on twitter were jewish, having found it on actual anti-semetic websites...and found it funny. So much of this is being spoofed.. and amped up for effect.

My point being.. while there are actually a small group of neo-Nazi’s on the internet... there is a much larger group of merry pranksters who find the whole thing hilarious, and use the memes for their own devices. From what I observe, they see Trump as the ultimate device for breaking the political correct speech codes... and follow suit by creating memes and puns directed at anyone who takes offense at anything.


18 posted on 06/07/2016 8:42:02 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: justiceseeker93
This "Lord of the Flies" type of politicking is exactly what is wrong with our system. For those who forgot the book, the boys in Lord of the Flies were stranded on a deserted island. They organized into factions, with one factional leader claiming that there is a vast right wing conspiracy there is a racist over there there was a monster in the jungle and that only he could stop it. Eventually almost all the boys galvanized behind him out of fear, and they ended up killing one of their own friends before being rescued

American politics is descending into this same kind of depraved hysteria.

And yes, the author of the first story chose to ignore the significantly larger numbers of Jew haters in the Democrat's tent, probably because he is blinded by his own bias in support of leftist candidates. For shame.

19 posted on 06/07/2016 8:55:42 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: SJackson

Also, most leftists are BDS-holes, they discovered it’s “fashionable” to boycott Israeli goods or those that do business with Israel. I’ve known all along anti-Semitism if anything is MORE rampant among the left, until recently just more subtle.


20 posted on 06/07/2016 10:11:52 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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