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America is tired of being the world’s protector. We have been warned
UK Telegraph ^ | June 2,2016 | Frazer Nelson

Posted on 06/03/2016 8:00:01 AM PDT by Hojczyk

Even Barack Obama has been tiring of European uselessness. He recently admitted that he had to threaten to end the “special relationship” with Britain before David Cameron agreed to spend the Nato minimum on defence. Even then, Mr Cameron used smoke and mirrors, counting military pensions and intelligence in the total figure.

So at a time when the US stumps up 72 per cent of total Nato spending, the puzzle is not why Americans should be growing fed up with it all. The puzzle is why their patience (and generosity) has endured for so long.

Does that all sound too crazy? Trump loves crazy. It’s not clear why, if elected, he would not follow through on what he proposes. He has given clear notice: that he thinks America “can’t afford to protect the world any more” and is looking for excuses to withdraw. So a man who stands a terrifyingly high chance of being the next American president is ready for the quick end of Nato. The question is: are we?

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; freeloaders; germany; nato; unitedkingdom
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To: miss marmelstein

Agreed...I think the best way to get them to pay might be the realization that we’re leaving, even if I don’t advocate doing so.


41 posted on 06/03/2016 9:33:23 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Peace through Strength means nothing if we waste all of our strength defending those who will not lift a finger to defend themselves.

At this point, we have become an enabler, much like the parents who let their shiftless, loser child live in the basement into their 30’s.


42 posted on 06/03/2016 9:48:03 AM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: All

No, America isn’t tired of being the World’s Police, we are tired of being the World’s Soup Kitchen.....Paying our enemies to feed and breed all the while being spat in our faces.


43 posted on 06/03/2016 10:05:29 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Its the French who take off the month of August.


44 posted on 06/03/2016 10:16:48 AM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: Maverick68; Hojczyk
Your comment. #43.

Paying our enemies to feed and breed all the while being spat in our faces.

At one time during the past decade it seemed to me that the more they got, the more they hated. I have memories of the hard scrabble years post war in England. This is what I culled from Wiki.

Facing our crisis it was stated that from the United States "Every thing we got in WW2 was free". An American loan was then negotiated and fifty years of one year payments agreed on. It was nearly one billion dollars then. Britain took sixty years to repay the loan with a modest two percent interest per year. Finally paid in 2006. This I am proud of. I understand the only other nation that paid up a loan was Finland.

America does not need the sneers of effete Europeans and the hate of hell hole countries.

45 posted on 06/03/2016 12:15:03 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Lower Deck

Check it out. Canada was a piss poor partner during the cold war. Canada also recognized Castro’s Cuba and Mao’s China, a slap in the face to us. Their UNITED NATIONS PEACEKEEPING efforts were about it for their Armed Force. Didn’t want US Nukes on their soil either.


46 posted on 06/03/2016 9:12:39 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Are we abandoning “Peace Through Strength” out of spite?

If we don't have to foot the bill for other people's defense we can build up our strength.

Will these policies make war less likely or more likely?

For us or them?

47 posted on 06/03/2016 9:20:40 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Mollypitcher1
Check it out. Canada was a piss poor partner during the cold war. Canada also recognized Castro’s Cuba and Mao’s China, a slap in the face to us. Their UNITED NATIONS PEACEKEEPING efforts were about it for their Armed Force. Didn’t want US Nukes on their soil either.

So then how do you figure SAC was protecting us?

48 posted on 06/04/2016 3:54:41 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Hojczyk

Um, it’s NATO, not Nato


49 posted on 06/04/2016 3:58:06 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Lower Deck

Check it out yourself.


50 posted on 06/04/2016 4:52:45 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1
Check it out yourself.

What would you have me reference?

51 posted on 06/04/2016 8:03:41 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"For us or them?"

For us. We tried some of these isolationist ideas after WWI and they made war more likely. How much of Europe would we be willing to let Russia have before we got involved again?

52 posted on 06/04/2016 9:40:56 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Actually it could be argued that it was the abandonment of the isolationist ideas which we had embraced up until World War I that lead to World War II.

While we remained aloof from the little European squabbles they remained minor and the affect on us minimal.

53 posted on 06/04/2016 12:18:55 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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