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The mysterious Mary Trump: The full untold story
The National (Scotland) ^ | 5/21/2016 | Martin Hannan

Posted on 05/20/2016 9:07:57 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3

SHE was the mother of a potential future president of the United States, yet Mary Trump’s early life and particularly how she came to America is shrouded in mystery.

(Excerpt) Read more at thenational.scot ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: illiteratejournalist; nomystery; repositorytrump; trump; trumpmother
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To: reaganaut
I posted this way back in 2012 then again in June 2015.

Donald Trump

born June 14, 1946 in Queens, New York, NY (Jus Soli)

Parents were
Frederick Christ Trump, born October 11, 1905 in Queens, NY, died June 1999 in Queens, NY
Mary Ann MacLeod, born May 10, 1912 in SCOTLAND, died August 7, 2000 in Queens, NY. Arrived in US October 5, 1935. Naturalized as a US Citizen March 10, 1942.

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Jus Sanguinis)

Donald Trump is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN ________________________________________________________

21 posted on 05/20/2016 11:56:26 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Jus Soli + Jus Sanguinis = NBC)
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To: ASA Vet

I’m not saying he isn’t. However many of the birthers (even on here) believe both parents MUST be born here to be an NBC. I have seen it for most of the last 10 years. What will they say, esp if they are nevertrumpers?

FWIW, I have always supported Trump and don’t agree with that defintion but this info will be used by some, even on here.


22 posted on 05/21/2016 12:03:54 AM PDT by reaganaut (I am not "reaganaut1".)
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To: IncPen

“I guess I missed the MSM scrutiny of Obama’s past.
Anyone got a link?”

Yes, I’m still waiting for someone to explain why Barry registered and lived in the foreign student dorm while in college and claimed to be Kenyan for financial aide. Anyone? Crickets......


23 posted on 05/21/2016 12:33:55 AM PDT by 9422WMR ("Ignorance can be cured by education, but stupidity is forever.")
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To: ASA Vet

I thought it was a nice story with interestng historical perspective about so many of the youth leaving for America at that time.

Nice to read about her sisters as well...sounds like much of the family came here and found success.

And, Donald looks like his Mother:)


24 posted on 05/21/2016 12:44:55 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: IncPen; Jane Long; ronnietherocket3

I have many articles! DO some research

His grandmother was widowed with three children. Fred, Trumps father was oldest at 11 His mother enrolled him in Trade school while in high school to learn to do plumbing, electric and basic carpentry. She signed her name to the deeds He did the labor and they flipped houses to put food on the table
His Uncle John is responsible for Radar in WWII and used in hospitals today He is NOT just a professor at MIT Google for all his awards

From poor widow to multi Billionaire in three generations. The American Dream on Steroids!


25 posted on 05/21/2016 1:39:40 AM PDT by hoosiermama (W1237 in Under budget. Ahead of schedule! Go TRUMP GO)
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To: ronnietherocket3

She had very smart children. Beautiful family. Her life was the American Dream. A biography of her and Trump Senior would be very interesting reading.


26 posted on 05/21/2016 1:40:18 AM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: ronnietherocket3
Birfers. Suck.

The Donald was born in the US, so his parentage is irrelevant.

27 posted on 05/21/2016 2:02:55 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ASA Vet

Wow! Trump was born on Flag Day.


28 posted on 05/21/2016 2:48:59 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: IncPen

Funny how the can dig for dirt when the want to just like they did in the case of obullsh##


29 posted on 05/21/2016 2:50:35 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: reaganaut

Please provide some specific examples where “birthers”, I consider myself one, have said that the parents must have also been born on US soil to covey NBC. As long as both parents are US citizens at the time of birth and the child is born in the US as is the case with Trump, there is no question that Trump is a NBC.

There are some areas where “birthers” disagree, but in the case of Trump, there is no disagreement.


30 posted on 05/21/2016 3:07:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ronnietherocket3

B4l8r


31 posted on 05/21/2016 3:14:07 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: cynwoody
The Donald was born in the US, so his parentage is irrelevant.

So were Rubio, Jindal, and Haley--all ineligible.

Cruz was born in a foreign country.

Natural-born has two components and always has had two components--place and parentage.

The two together form the pedigree.

32 posted on 05/21/2016 3:15:41 AM PDT by exit82 (Road Runner sez:" Let's Make America Beeping Great Again! Beep! Beep!")
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To: exit82
How about Ivanka? Is she VP material (assuming her Dad moves to Floriduh?).

Next Halloween Eve, she turns eligible. Got a problem with that?

33 posted on 05/21/2016 3:30:43 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Was Ivana a citizen when Ivanka was born?

What do you think the original intent of the Founders was when they used the term—”natural born citizen”?

Born in America of two citizen parents is the highest pedigree of citizenship that can be achieved.

Why shouldn’t that be required?

Because someone’s feelings might be hurt?


34 posted on 05/21/2016 3:36:44 AM PDT by exit82 (Road Runner sez:" Let's Make America Beeping Great Again! Beep! Beep!")
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To: exit82
What do you think the original intent of the Founders was when they used the term—”natural born citizen”?

That's easy. NBC is a citizen by birth, as opposed to naturalization (trivial paperwork relating to establishing birth does not change entitlement by birth).

Thus, Cruz, Jindal, Haley, Rubio, Donald Trump, McCain, Ivanka Trump are NBC.

But Schwarzenegger, Kissinger, Granholm are not.

35 posted on 05/21/2016 3:43:31 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ronnietherocket3

In one of the debates Cruz claimed that some originalists would preclude Trump from office because his mother was born in Scotland. It was a lie, like so much else Cruz said.


36 posted on 05/21/2016 3:43:50 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: exit82
Born in America of two citizen parents is the highest pedigree of citizenship that can be achieved.

Why shouldn’t that be required?

Because it's not spelled out in the Constitution.

And because it's ultimately up to the voters to decide. After all, Billy Ayers fits the Constitution to a tee. But should he be President? The Constitution says OK. Any normal person says "Hell, No!".

Expecting the Constitution to fix stupid fails. We saw that in 2008 and 2012. Let's make sure it doesn't happen in 2016!

37 posted on 05/21/2016 3:54:46 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Jindal,Haley and Rubio were born here and were anchor babies, a term that has no legal or constitutional definition. Anchor babies was a construct in the mind of Justice William O. Douglas in a minority opinion in 1982, which has been promoted by the media and by those who would profit by the importation of cheap labor ever since.

Under the 14th Amendment, their parents were subject to the jurisdiction of another country, thus they were born citizens of their parents’ country. The 14th Amendment does not change the requirements for Presidential eligibility, and its author, John Bingham, stated as much.

Cruz was a born a natural born citizen of Canada, as he was born there and first subject to their law. His father was a Cuban citizen at the time, which also gave Cuba a claim to him (see: Elian Gonzalez). His claim of American citizenship through his mother was only possible by the 1952 Immigration and Naturalization Act, because his mother met the minimum age and residency requirements in America. Otherwise he would have had no claim to American citizenship.In any event, he became a naturalized American citizen at birth, through an Act of Congress.At birth, three countries could claim him as a citizen—hardly a natural born American pedigree.

Of Trump there is no question—both parents were American at the time of his birth, and he was born in America.

As for McCain, he was born in a foreign land of American parents. However, under Vattel’s definitions, McCain’s father was in the service of the King (ie the US military), so he was natural born.

Only in the case of Chester Arthur(later found to be subterfuge), and of those exempted by the Constitution, has the natural born requirement of two American citizens parents not been met.

The Constitution allows naturalized citizens to be Senators and Congressmen, but he requirement for President is more stringent and must be so.

Otherwise the term has no meaning at all.


38 posted on 05/21/2016 4:01:54 AM PDT by exit82 (Road Runner sez:" Let's Make America Beeping Great Again! Beep! Beep!")
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To: cynwoody
Because it's not spelled out in the Constitution.

Neither is the term "Letters of Marque", but apparently the Founders knew what that term meant.

39 posted on 05/21/2016 4:03:02 AM PDT by exit82 (Road Runner sez:" Let's Make America Beeping Great Again! Beep! Beep!")
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To: exit82
"Subject to the jurisdiction" relates to US jurisdiction only. Foreign governments may legislate and assert as they please, but their natterings do not apply to anchor babies, absent diplomatic immunity.

Anybody obliged to pay their parking tickets is "subject to the jurisdiction". Diplomats can tear their tickets up and laugh. But they are the exception which proves the rule.

So, having established birth on US soil, the case is closed (except for diplomats).

Foreign births require closer scrutiny. But, as long as said scrutiny establishes American parentage, the case is again closed (Cruz and McCain).

40 posted on 05/21/2016 4:20:11 AM PDT by cynwoody
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