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Violent Criminals and Holsters are Seldom Found Together
Ammoland ^ | 9 May, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 05/10/2016 3:53:44 AM PDT by marktwain

Criminal Carry no Holster

Police have long understood that violent criminals almost never use holsters.  The obvious reason is that a gun is readily abandoned by tossing it from a car, in a dumpster, down a drain, or off a bridge.  A holster, normally worn on a belt, is much harder to discard, and can result in embarrassing questions when found in a search.  Having a holster on ones person when you are not allowed to carry or possess a firearm becomes rather problematic.

Here is a comment from Landric  at defensivecarry.com:

There is no real firm answer, but in general, no street thugs don’t tend to use holsters. The reasons are many, and the main ones are posted above. I’ve come across people illegally possessing/carrying weapons in holsters, but they tended to be concealed in vehicles inside a holster (generally the holster the gun was in when it was stolen).

I’m working on year 13 as an LEO and I’ve never charged illegal possession or CCW against someone who was actually wearing a handgun in a holster.

and another:

 My experience mirrors Landric’s. I can tell you that I have seen many shootings inside bars or other buildings begin with the words, “(X)itch, go out the car and gimme my pistol….”. The “holster” is the area under the front seat or in the spare tire well, depending on the individual’s need for…concealment vs. speed of draw. Generally, if a bad guy is carrying the gun, he has just retrieved it/had it retrieved and stuffed it down the front of his pants (and may be holding both up with one hand in some cases) or a pocketclass="tr_bq">


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I have talked to a number of peace officers, their experience is that they do not find holsters on violent criminals.
1 posted on 05/10/2016 3:53:44 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I have made this argument for years with bedwetters whining about concealed carry and our access to businesses.

I tell them, you see someone wearing a holstered weapon, you can ignore that person; they're a "good guy" - the criminals and people you need to be afraid of are NOT wearing holsters because they want to be able to ditch the weapon after use and appear to be unarmed.

Mostly, with the bedwetters, the argument doesn't sink in...

2 posted on 05/10/2016 4:04:00 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: grobdriver

Holsters are an additional cost and are hard to come by on the streets for similar reasons outlined in the article. My Aker IWB cost me $80. I doubt any dope-slinging thug wants to cut into his profits when the throwaway gun on his person was likely sold out of the back of an Oldsmobile Cutlass for less than $50.


3 posted on 05/10/2016 4:12:39 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: grobdriver
I never gave this topic any consideration and initially thought this a stupid topic to post. But alas, you mentioned something that struck a cord.

you see someone wearing a holstered weapon, you can ignore that person; they're a "good guy" - the criminals and people you need to be afraid of are NOT wearing holsters because they want to be able to ditch the weapon after use and appear to be unarmed.

I've seen many people (ordinary citizens) concealing and carrying (mostly with a holster) over the years in IN. It never phases me and I kind of enjoy noticing/observing it. Maybe it is the holster or the "more professional" way the weapon is carried/concealed that makes me comfortable.

Ironically, I normally carry in my front pocket (not holstered 80% of the time). It depends on what I am carrying, what I am wearing, what the weather is and where I might be going.

4 posted on 05/10/2016 4:14:38 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being stupid!)
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To: grobdriver; marktwain

Re: wearing holsters

And this goes back to the 1800’s/early 1900’s concept that open carry was OK; the thought back then was that concealed carry was -not- OK.

Somewhere along the line, things got reversed....

But hopefully it will come back to that earlier idea.

Case in point, here in Texas after open carry got passed, lots of folks at the gun shows had open carry type holsters for sale.

And the “no carry” signs started popping up in store windows... Those are the ones that aren’t getting my business....


5 posted on 05/10/2016 4:52:57 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: marktwain

They don’t wear holsters so they can quickly be “unarmed” once the police shoot them dead for having shot at someone. This way, their families can have good cause to riot after the fact.


6 posted on 05/10/2016 5:10:45 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so that others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: grobdriver
Way back when, when I was completing in USPSA shooting, I was in a hurry to get home due to a family emergency, so I just cleared by pistol, tossed it and my magazines in my range bag, and ran for the car. I noticed that I was riding on empty, so I had to stop off for a quick couple of gallons of gas.

The girl who was at the station FREAKED when she saw my (empty) Ernie Hill Speed Leather rig! She asked me not to hurt her, and she'd give me all the money she had.

I explained that I had been shooting, and needed to get home in a hurry, and forgot to take off my holster, and even showed her it was emply, and offered to take it off while she got my change. Well, she had hit the panic button, and a cop pulled in and got out of the car while I was taking off my belt, and he pulled his gun on me. I explained that I had been shooting, and was in a hurry to get home, and that my pistols were locked up in my trunk, and that I was unarmed. After a quick look at what was going on, he told me I'd best not do that again (wear a fancy, metal cored belt with accessories?)

All in all, it was not a pleasant experience...

Mark

7 posted on 05/10/2016 5:44:16 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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"...And the “no carry” signs started popping up in store windows... Those are the ones that aren’t getting my business.......

Since they revealed themselves to be anti-gun and anti-self defense I have not stepped foot inside an HEB and never will again.

Screw them.

It's all about Kroger now- They explicitly stated they will allow open carry in their stores.

8 posted on 05/10/2016 5:51:46 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: marktwain
Meanwhile, many of us law-abiding citizens who carry have too many holsters.

I'm still trying to find one feels just right with my P229.

9 posted on 05/10/2016 6:29:43 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: marktwain

Let’s see now. Suppose a non-violent citizen has a holster on his person, and he goes to an airport, or within 500 feet of a school, both areas where reason has been abandoned and hysteria welcomed. Wanna bet that person gets his civil rights taken away in two seconds? Wanna bet he is declared guilty solely on the basis of the holster?


10 posted on 05/10/2016 6:59:14 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: marktwain

I’ll never need a holster. Too many precious neurotics out there hitting the alarm button over every little thing.
In cold weather a handwarming muff disturbs only the PETA freaks. Otherwise a handbag has to suffice.


11 posted on 05/10/2016 7:48:51 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( It Can't Happen Here -- Sinclair Lewis.)
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To: I want the USA back

The odds are against you on that bet. In most states, most of the time, it would not be a problem. In New York, New Jersey, Maryland, maybe California and Hawaii, I would not take the bet.


12 posted on 05/10/2016 7:49:45 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MarkL

Interesting story. Could you give us some more details as to location? State? Rural/Urban.

I just open carried through AZ, NM, TX, OK, MO, IA, and WI, and did not have a problem.


13 posted on 05/10/2016 7:52:30 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: WildHighlander57
And the “no carry” signs started popping up in store windows... Those are the ones that aren’t getting my business....

If you recall, a bunch of 30.06 signs went up when CC was first passed in Texas. As time passed, most were slowly, and without fanfare removed. I suspect the same may happen with the 30.07 signs.

14 posted on 05/10/2016 8:05:20 AM PDT by zeugma (Today is Setting Orange, the 57th day of Discord in the YOLD 3182)
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To: T-Bone Texan

T bone Texan,

Thanks for that info!

Has anyone compiled a list of gun/open carry friendly and non gun/open carry friendly stores and businesses?

I know half price books ISNT.


15 posted on 05/10/2016 8:10:05 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: T-Bone Texan
Since they revealed themselves to be anti-gun..I have not stepped foot inside an HEB

HEB allows you to carry in their stores.

Although, it is a lot more fun to be outraged than reasonable.

16 posted on 05/10/2016 9:40:33 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: WildHighlander57
Thanks for that info!

That is bad info. HEB allows you to carry in their stores.

Unlike Kroger, HEB is pure Texan. Started in Kerrville, based in Corpus Christi.

17 posted on 05/10/2016 9:43:15 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: marktwain

I like working with leather. My neighbors saw one of the holsters I made, now I am making them for the whole freaking block! .....It keeps me busy.


18 posted on 05/10/2016 9:49:50 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("If guns cause crime, there must be something wrong with mine." -Ted Nugent)
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To: T-Bone Texan
I have not stepped foot inside an HEB and never will again.

Good luck with that in Central Texas. No others exist.

19 posted on 05/10/2016 10:48:15 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (You all can go to hell, I'm going to Texas.)
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To: laotzu
"...HEB allows you to carry in their stores...."

Ummm, open carry, no.

HEB released a statement after open carry was passed in TX that they do not want open carry in their store, and that they would be putting up signs to that effect.

On the other hand, Kroger released a statement saying that they would adhere to all state and local laws of the state of TX, which was an overt and tacit acknowledgement of open carry in their stores. Nowhere in their statement did they say say no to open carry.

If you have additional or other info you wish to let loose on us, please feel free.

20 posted on 05/10/2016 11:03:43 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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