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Evolution: The enemy of reason. If our minds were not designed, why would we trust them?
Creation Ministries International ^ | 5-5-16 | Keaton Halley

Posted on 05/06/2016 11:22:38 AM PDT by fishtank

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To: ifinnegan

Because it’s true, you’re assigning evolutionists a position that is completely made up within your own head.

All of them.

Don’t need to be.


101 posted on 05/06/2016 2:24:16 PM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: Boogieman

Here is a sample of what I mean. The evidence is there, left by God for anyone to see:

http://www.scilogs.com/maniraptora/psittacopasserae-retroposons/


102 posted on 05/06/2016 2:43:37 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: tacticalogic

I thought you were maintaining life could have been designed to evolve (in the orthodox sense)?

Was I mistaken?


103 posted on 05/06/2016 2:48:09 PM PDT by papertyger (-/\/\/\-)
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To: papertyger
I thought you were maintaining life could have been designed to evolve (in the orthodox sense)?

I was. And the counter argument was that this is no different than something that wasn't designed at all doing the same thing. There was no explanation of why they are the same, just a bare assertion that they were.

104 posted on 05/06/2016 2:52:36 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
I was. And the counter argument was that this is no different than something that wasn't designed at all doing the same thing. There was no explanation of why they are the same, just a bare assertion that they were.

Not at all.

My argument is that the designed item making use of environmental conditions to improve it's design without having that improvement already resident in the original design is to believe in magic.

105 posted on 05/06/2016 3:18:53 PM PDT by papertyger (-/\/\/\-)
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To: discostu

Cite an evolutionist who believes in free will.


106 posted on 05/06/2016 4:17:26 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

Cite one who doesn’t. You’re the one making the claim. If you actually knew anything about science in general and evolutionary science in particular you’d no that evolution has NO OFFICIAL OPINION one way or the other. Because they’re unrelated sciences. Free will is something psychiatrists and psychologists worry about. Might as ask what astronomers think about it. Meanwhile, away from their science lack of belief in free will is largely limited to a very small subsection of Christianity. Even psychiatrists who spend a lot of time dealing with the biochemical reactions that make us do things aren’t generally willing to go all the way to ruling out free will, because to do that rules out culpability, and that’s a line just generally aren’t willing to cross.

Fact is you’re making crap up. Lying really, since you keep making the same demonstrably false statement even after it’s been pointed out to you that it’s false. Way to use your free will.


107 posted on 05/06/2016 4:25:58 PM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: discostu

“If you actually knew anything about science in general and evolutionary science in particular you’d no that evolution has NO OFFICIAL OPINION one way or the other. “

A ha.

Finally you get it.

See my post 7.

Free will, and with it reason, are meaningless in the evolutionary world view.


108 posted on 05/06/2016 5:01:26 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: papertyger
My argument is that the designed item making use of environmental conditions to improve it's design without having that improvement already resident in the original design is to believe in magic.

I merely submitted that there is nothing that disallows evolution by design. If it's necessary for information about possible configuration changes to be stored until needed, then that will be part of the design. That scenario is entirely consistent with the large segments of apparently unused (un-expressed) DNA we find in living organisms.

You're arguing against a premise no one submitted.

109 posted on 05/06/2016 5:10:42 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Moonman62

Yes, I’m familiar with morphological studies of DNA. There is a vast difference between methodologies like those and hard, verifiable science. The hard sciences are the ones where we are dealing with phenomenon happening in the present time, so that we can observe it, control the conditions to run experiments that isolate various factors, make predictions, and test them to get experimental verification. Even with these more reliable scientific disciplines, science never can tell us anything with absolute certainty, but at least we can have confidence that our theories approximate the truth to some degree.

On the other hand, you have what I like to call speculative, or historical sciences, which deal with phenomena that happened in the past. This creates enormous, often insurmountable obstacles to making observations or verifying anything experimentally. So instead, scientists try to substitute speculation, computer models, or extrapolations based on data of unverifiable quality for the more reliable methods of science. It’s certainly possible to arrive at good conclusions using those methods, but there is simply no way to really verify most of the results.

Also, there are often underlying methodological problems with those types of research. For example, morphological studies can never be used as evidence to confirm evolution, because their methodology is dependent on assuming the truth of evolution as a given. They start by assuming all organisms have a common ancestor, then from that assumption, they deduce that all differences between the genomes of currently living organisms have accumulated from the original genome of the assumed common ancestor. The results of this method tell us nothing about the accuracy of the underlying assumptions, for if we held different assumptions such studies would produce wildly different results, and we would have no way to verify the truth of one set of results versus another, at least until someone invents a time machine.


110 posted on 05/06/2016 5:12:07 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: The Cuban

Well, He didn’t design the Theory of Relativity.

He may have designed the underlying forces and phenomenon that Einstein observed that led him to posit the theory... however theories are all creations of men, and they are always imperfect like all other creations of men.


111 posted on 05/06/2016 5:13:50 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ifinnegan

Now take away the non living matter and try to evolve.


112 posted on 05/06/2016 5:15:08 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: tacticalogic

God created some things in His own image. This is fundamental in Creationism.

Evolution assumes an ancient pagan concept of the Continuity of Being. It attacks God’s Creation, by implying all things may be accounted for, by having always been in some form od being and transmutation.

They a very distinct notions and one of them denies God’s Word.


113 posted on 05/06/2016 6:30:25 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Little Pig

“Oh, and to top it all off, if the mind were designed, why are there people with mental defects or disorders? “

You don’t believe that creation is cursed because of Adam’ sin?


114 posted on 05/06/2016 6:33:34 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Cvengr
Assuming "God's image" means two arms and legs, ten fingers and toes, etc.

I don't think that's quite what was meant.

You are, of course, free to believe differently.

115 posted on 05/06/2016 6:34:05 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Boogieman

Yes, I’m familiar with morphological studies of DNA.

...

The link I gave you concerned a study of retroposons, not a morphological study. Other than that why should I or anyone accept your opinion on what makes valid science?


116 posted on 05/06/2016 6:37:20 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: tacticalogic

It means what it says.

It doesn’t imply He made things as a continuum, but rather with explicit purpose.


117 posted on 05/06/2016 6:41:24 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Cvengr
He made things as a continuum, but rather with explicit purpose.

I don't doubt that. I do doubt that we can say exactly how he did it.

118 posted on 05/06/2016 6:54:30 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Study and accept His Word. We’ve been made with a purpose.


119 posted on 05/06/2016 6:55:49 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Cvengr
Study and accept His Word.

Is this about reason or dogma? It can't be both.

120 posted on 05/06/2016 6:57:33 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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