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Obama’s Former Middle East Adviser: We Should Have Bombed Assad
Atlantic ^ | APR 20, 2016 | JEFFREY GOLDBERG

Posted on 04/24/2016 1:11:28 AM PDT by nickcarraway

A couple of weeks ago, I was talking with Philip Gordon, who held the Middle East portfolio at the National Security Council from 2013 to 2015 (and before that, served as assistant secretary of state for European affairs) about my Atlantic article, “The Obama Doctrine.” The piece tried to explain how the president understands the world, and America’s role in it. (This week, the president is on a tour of the some of the countries he discussed in the article.)

Gordon, a loyal Obama man, is, like his ex-boss, somewhat-to-very fatalistic about the ability of the U.S. to direct the course of events in the Middle East (“realistic,” rather than “fatalistic,” is the term the president prefers). Gordon is known for, among other things, a pithy and concise formula he developed to explain why President Obama, and many of his advisers, are so hesitant to engage fully in the various catastrophes of the Middle East. In Iraq, the Gordon dictum goes, Obama learned that full-scale invasions leading to regime change don’t work; in Libya, he learned that partial interventions leading to regime collapse don’t work; and in Syria he learned that non-intervention also doesn’t work. An unspoken but obvious lesson: Once a president reaches this set of conclusions, can you blame him for wanting to pivot to Asia?

So I was a bit surprised to hear Gordon tell me that he believes, in retrospect, that President Obama should have attacked Syria in retaliation for its use of chemical weapons in 2013. A year earlier, the president drew a “red line” for the Syrian dictator, Bashar al-Assad regarding the potential use of such weapons; a year later, when Assad deployed sarin gas in the town of Ghouta, killing as many as 1,300 people, Obama set in

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Syria
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1 posted on 04/24/2016 1:11:28 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Syria never attacked the US. We should have bombed Saudi Arabia, they did attack us, and we did nothing.


2 posted on 04/24/2016 1:19:10 AM PDT by wrench
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Drawing the red line was a childish expressin. Should never have been uttered.

Assad was and is our ally. We need more dictators in the region, specifically our dictators.


3 posted on 04/24/2016 1:49:00 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: nickcarraway; All

Y’all ever notice that Barry and his buddies always want to overthrow the sort of secular leaders of the various muzzie nations and replace them with jihadi fundamentalist rabble??


4 posted on 04/24/2016 1:55:55 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: nickcarraway
American is anti-Assad because Saudi told us to be. The Saudis want to build a gas pipeline to the Mediterranean, and it will have to go through Syria. Assad said no, and for that he must be eliminated.
5 posted on 04/24/2016 2:07:37 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (With Trump & Cruz, America can't lose!)
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To: nickcarraway

Still trying to get the Saudis their gas pipeline.


6 posted on 04/24/2016 3:01:46 AM PDT by henkster
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To: LegendHasIt

“Y’all ever notice that Barry and his buddies always want to overthrow the sort of secular leaders of the various muzzie nations and replace them with jihadi fundamentalist rabble??”

I read an article some years ago that analyzed why liberals always took the opposite choice from the reasonable, rational option. It is because they are seeking utopia. They can see that for thousands of years, people made the reasonable, rational choice and we still don’t have utopia. Therefore the answer must be to make the opposite or unreasonable, irrational choice.


7 posted on 04/24/2016 3:19:11 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: nickcarraway
In some middle east countries we're working against ISIS, in some we're working to support ISIS and in some we're both for and against ISIS.

The current US foreign policy evolved as marijuana was legalized.

8 posted on 04/24/2016 3:23:55 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Every nation has the government it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: nickcarraway

Let’s see, that would be a neocon Hillary Clinton concept.


9 posted on 04/24/2016 3:24:52 AM PDT by Bogie (Just a coincidence?)
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To: wrench

Agree 100%.


10 posted on 04/24/2016 3:52:12 AM PDT by boycott (--s)
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To: LegendHasIt

Yep. We had no business overthrowing Libya.


11 posted on 04/24/2016 3:56:27 AM PDT by boycott (--s)
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To: LegendHasIt

Yep. We had no business overthrowing Libya.


12 posted on 04/24/2016 3:56:27 AM PDT by boycott (--s)
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To: nickcarraway

How’s this for pithy and concise.

0bama ha the reverse Midas touch>everything 0bama touches turns to shite.


13 posted on 04/24/2016 4:05:14 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: nickcarraway

AFP is FUBAR as is the executive branch and CONgre$$. Garbage In. Garbage Out. Take out the garbage.

Zero representation.


14 posted on 04/24/2016 4:12:27 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: wrench

the president understands the world...

I’m a curious science guy. I would love to know what circuits or neurons or chemicals came together to come to a completely opposite opinion against of ALL of the evidence.

The ME is burning. Russia’s invading, W Europe is teetering

Did I leave anything out?


15 posted on 04/24/2016 4:18:22 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: nickcarraway

I know you’re a ghost writer for the Atlantic. Don’t deny it! It will only make thing worse. But you write well :)


16 posted on 04/24/2016 4:19:24 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Obama's shill at The Atlantic spins some more.

17 posted on 04/24/2016 4:26:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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18 posted on 04/24/2016 4:27:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: nickcarraway

What legal basis would the Obama administration provide for going to war with Syria? (For Libya, there was a UN resolution.)

I know, I know. Obama don’t need no legal basis.


19 posted on 04/24/2016 4:38:25 AM PDT by RAldrich
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To: LegendHasIt
Y’all ever notice that Barry and his buddies always want to overthrow the sort of secular leaders of the various muzzie nations and replace them with jihadi fundamentalist rabble??

Exactly. Let it be stated that Assad always protected the Christian minority in Syria. If Isis and their ilk take over, the remaining Christians will be killed or forced to flee.

20 posted on 04/24/2016 4:50:29 AM PDT by Blennos
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