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The Long Green Nazi Shadow over Albert Speer Jr.
americanthinker.com ^ | 4/23/2016 | Mark Musser

Posted on 04/23/2016 7:18:32 AM PDT by rktman

Albert Speer Jr. knows the true origins of sustainable development. Yet, environmentalism and sustainability under the Third Reich is an area in which proverbial "good" Nazi attitudes could be entertained and maintained even though it is largely a taboo subject to the post-modern Western public that has adopted a green conscience as its new form of ethics. As such, while Nazi racism was evil, Nazi environmentalism was good. This too was learned from Albert Speer Sr.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Germany; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: econazis; environmentalism; gangreen; nazis; tyranny
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Rather lengthy article but it lays to rest(possibly) the huge push that the nazis had in sustainability. Thus the use of the term 'econazis' to describe a large segment of the 'eco just-us warriors' out there.
1 posted on 04/23/2016 7:18:32 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

It is amazing how the modern democrat party and nazi party mirror each other in policy and politics.


2 posted on 04/23/2016 7:20:03 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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I read Speer’s book once. He didn’t seem like a bad guy.


3 posted on 04/23/2016 7:21:28 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Off the NWO)
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There was a thread yesterday in which a guy read Mein Kampf and the Koran and realized that Hitler got most of his ideas from Muhammed.


4 posted on 04/23/2016 7:26:45 AM PDT by Slyfox (When someone tells it like it is, is it the truth?)
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To: 2banana
It is amazing how the modern democrat party and nazi party mirror each other in policy and politics.

As Allan Bloom wrote in "The Closing of the American Mind" that is because they have the same origin in obtuse German philosophy and sociology brought to America by German professors using Germanic language constructions including long noun phrases that obscured logic and reasoning. The incomprehensibility of the American left is a direct product of that.

5 posted on 04/23/2016 7:29:57 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: ichabod1
I read Speer’s book once. He didn’t seem like a bad guy.

I did too, and got the same impression. However, I've since read articles about Speer written by historians who think otherwise. They say Speer admitted to just enough guilt to make himself look remorseful, but not enough to send him to the gallows.

That argument does make some sense.

6 posted on 04/23/2016 7:31:29 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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“It is amazing how the modern democrat party and nazi party mirror each other in policy and politics.”

Look up ‘operation paper clip’

Its not hard to convince even non-believers that Hitler and the Nazi party were full on demonic,

After World War 2 we brought that same evil spirit to America and now in Obama we’re seeing it begin to take shape again, this time speaking like a lamb instead of an ‘in your face’ dragon,


7 posted on 04/23/2016 7:35:27 AM PDT by captmar-vell
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And lest we forget, Rudolf Hess was born in Cairo (home of Muslim Brotherhood) and fluent in Arabic.
It isn’t a coincidence by any means. The Nazis got their idea for the Holocaust from the Muslims - specifically, from the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine.


8 posted on 04/23/2016 7:41:22 AM PDT by Randall_S (Let's sink some ships.)
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To: ichabod1
I read Speer’s book once. He didn’t seem like a bad guy.

Excellent book. Speer was one of many who advanced their careers by becoming party members, even though they had nothing to do with the Nazi atrocities -- but their reputation paid the price when the war ended. Conductor Herbert von Karajan comes to mind.

9 posted on 04/23/2016 7:41:48 AM PDT by montag813
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Well, then his book achieved its author's objective. :-)

Speer was pretty bad. He knew all about the Holocaust, for one thing, though he lied and said he didn't. People who were less guilty than he was got the death penalty.

10 posted on 04/23/2016 7:44:07 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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Are you kidding? Comparing Speer to von Karajan?

Speer *ran* the armaments industry, which was heavily staffed by slave laborers *forcibly* imported from Poland, Russia, the Baltics, etc. They were treated brutally. Many of them died.

Speer's only saving grace is that he came to his senses at the end of the war and refused to implement Hitler's scorched-earth orders.

11 posted on 04/23/2016 7:46:57 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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YEs, I remember reading many times that after the war it was almost impossible to find a Nazi in Germany. Like nobody’s guilty in prison.

However, I must say, Obola could be running concentration camps and gas chambers right now for all I know and if it came out, we would all be judged guilty of genocide. And all we did was hate him and everything he stands for.


12 posted on 04/23/2016 7:53:03 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Off the NWO)
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And this sustainability led to ersatz bread:

In World War II, Ersatzbrot (replacement bread) made of potato starch, frequently stretched with extenders such as sawdust, was furnished to prisoners of war. This practice was prevalent on the Eastern front and at the many Nazi labour and death campshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ersatz_good

13 posted on 04/23/2016 7:58:02 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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People who were less guilty than he (Speer) was got the death penalty.

In many respects, Speer was the cleverest defendant at the Nuremberg trials. He admitted to just enough guilt to gain sympathy and seem remorseful, but not to anything more.

I find it interesting that after the war the Soviets agreed to early release for some of Nuremberg criminals, but they demanded that Speer (and Hess) do their full sentences.

14 posted on 04/23/2016 7:59:41 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

We eat sawdust too... they call it ‘cellulose gum.’


15 posted on 04/23/2016 8:03:21 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Off the NWO)
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To: Leaning Right

Yes he served his full sentence because of the Soviets.

Interesting tidbit here:

http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Albert_Speer

In 1940, Joseph Stalin proposed that Speer pay a visit to Moscow. Stalin had been particularly impressed by Speer’s work in Paris, and wished to meet the “Architect of the Reich”. Hitler, alternating between amusement and anger, did not allow Speer to go, fearing that Stalin would put Speer in a “rat hole” until a new Moscow arose.[


16 posted on 04/23/2016 8:31:27 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: ichabod1

Only around 7% of all Germans were Nazi Party members.


17 posted on 04/23/2016 8:32:19 AM PDT by Ancient Man
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I remember. You said, “Speer, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!” :-)


18 posted on 04/23/2016 8:43:50 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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"...after the war it was almost impossible to find a Nazi in Germany."

...And almost impossible to find a Frenchman who wasn't part of, "the resistance."

19 posted on 04/23/2016 8:47:46 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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“I read Speer’s book once. He didn’t seem like a bad guy.”

It’s the rare Nazi official (book author or not) who would admit to being “a bad guy.”

Even Hitler liked dogs.

And the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP in its German acronym, shortened to Nazi) did not come to power by promising to conquer the world, to administer the comeuppance the Allies deserved, or to eliminate “International Jewry.” They did it by promising goodness itself: to coordinate everything (waste and competition were seen as bad), to re-include all the alienated souls, commoners and nobles alike, who felt “left out” by the accelerating rush of modernity. Their good intentions could not be doubted.

And the Progressives used to sing their praises. Literally, when it came to the Fascism of Benito Mussolini, and the Communism of the Soviet Union.

American Liberals and Progressives elsewhere struggle mightily to forget all of it.

The rest of us had better not.


20 posted on 04/23/2016 8:52:54 AM PDT by schurmann
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