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Question re: Cruz/GOPe poaching delegates?

Posted on 04/19/2016 7:48:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

I heard Cruz saying tonight that he has "conservative activists" working the delegate to woo them over to his side. Is this true? Isn't it much more likely that the GOPe insiders are working the delegates? They control the party apparatus, not conservative activists.


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To: writer33

And I will point out that Trump has millions of actual votes over Cruz. Explain how Cruz is going to unite the Trump voters to support him?


201 posted on 04/19/2016 10:04:38 PM PDT by martinidon
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To: plewis1250
I have said frequently on this site that there are only about 200 members of the GOPe, which include the Congress people we know like McConnell,some state leaders, the media-types and political consultants. The rest are GOP and that is us. The Republican party is grassroots up. And that is why we frustrate the GOPe so much. They get themselves in positions where they make it appear that there are more of them than there really are.

It would be good if people made this distinction and not rely on the GOPe proclaiming that they speak for all of us.

202 posted on 04/19/2016 10:11:57 PM PDT by Slyfox (When someone tells it like it is, is it the truth?)
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To: Yosemitest

My work is done. Good luck.

Ezekiel 3
16 Now it came to pass at the end of seven days that the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
17 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore hear a word from My mouth,
and give them warning from Me:
18 “When I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning,
nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life,
that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand.
19 “Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way,
he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
20 “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity,
and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die;
because you did not give him warning, he shall die in his sin,
and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered;
but his blood I will require at your hand.
21 “Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man that the righteous should not sin,
and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning;
also you will have delivered your soul.”

Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 806). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.


203 posted on 04/19/2016 10:17:30 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Conservative Gato

In an article dated March 30, 2016 issue of Gentleman’s Quarterly, Roger Stone was asked if he was talking to Trump at all and he said he was. Currently.

Now, my concern is that knowing Roger’s background with the life issue, is Roger Stone giving Donald Trump advice on the life issue? If he is then we all should be concerned.

Here is the excerpt from the article:

How often do you talk to Trump?
From time to time?

Does that mean weekly? Monthly?
We just have a rhythm. More often than that, but not every day, not every other day. From time to time.

And you’re still giving him advice?
We’re still talking politics. I’m involved with a PAC that is specifically doing one narrow thing, which is collecting evidence of voter fraud in Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, Kansas, Hawaii, Ohio, and several other states.

http://www.gq.com/story/roger-stone-donald-trump-interview


204 posted on 04/19/2016 10:23:31 PM PDT by Slyfox (When someone tells it like it is, is it the truth?)
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To: Slyfox

Excactly.

The problem is so many around here these days ignore that fact. They ignore that our party patterns itself after the REPUBLIC we live in. It’s why we nominate delegates to VOTE FOR us at the convention, just like our Presidential selection process.

What is amazing is these folks want a populist type, plurality rules nomination because it supports their efforts politically at the moment.

Populism be damned. I want representative government and I want our party to reflect that. We are not a democracy. We are a republic.

What would these populists think of the Bush/Gore election?

These folks can go pound sand. Be prepared for a tremendous loss by Trump next week.


205 posted on 04/19/2016 10:28:02 PM PDT by plewis1250 (The pecking order: Christian, American, Conservative)
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To: Slyfox

I seriously doubt that with Donald Trump’s making it clear his stance on Pro Life.

If they stayed friends, that is not a crime.

CGato


206 posted on 04/19/2016 10:43:22 PM PDT by Conservative Gato
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To: plewis1250
They are really showing how much they do not know about the rules and how things have always been done.

I was at our precinct convention and this one fellow seemed like a fish out of water. He wanted to know more about the process but he was a newbie and a Polish immigrant and had been in the states long enough to become a citizen. He proclaimed that he really liked Trump. Well, I did my job and that was to encourage him to become a delegate to the district convention, which I thought would be good for him to witness and take part in.

Well, he came to the district convention and I found him wandering around and I pointed out where his delegation was and where he could sit. A little while later he came up to me and asked me where all the Trump signs were. I guess he was expecting it to be a Trump rally.

I point this out because I believe that most of the people complaining either don't know what is going on or they do know and are misrepresenting the truth. Which begs the question. Why?

207 posted on 04/19/2016 10:44:34 PM PDT by Slyfox (When someone tells it like it is, is it the truth?)
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To: plewis1250
It’s why we nominate delegates to VOTE FOR us at the convention, just like our Presidential selection process.

Except that in caucuses like Iowa and Colorado, you vote for delegates who vote for delegates who vote for delegates to the national convention. That's three steps removed from the original voter to the convention voter.

That is too diluted to be called representative, and has too many places for party interference.

-PJ

208 posted on 04/19/2016 10:44:52 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Conservative Gato
How did he make his pro-life stand clear? He has said that he is all right with partial birth abortion. Cecile Richards has warm thoughts about his words, whatever they were.

I do not trust Trump on the life issue. His answer to Chris Matthews was pretty close to the gaff that one congressman made about rape not being rape. And if it had been Ted Cruz who answered that question like that to Matthews it would still be in the news and Hitlary's voice would be even more hoarse screaming about Ted and his intended mistreatment of women.

I want to thank you for having a civil conversation with me on this.

209 posted on 04/19/2016 10:52:33 PM PDT by Slyfox (When someone tells it like it is, is it the truth?)
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To: tinamina
I also believe, from listening to Cruz today, that he is delusional and becoming unhinged. He never gives a straight answer to anything and folks are starting to notice.

That little session with Hannity today was very revealing. Cruz was angry and could not give a straight answer to any question, or just refused to, using weasel words instead. Very lawyerly of him.

210 posted on 04/19/2016 11:10:31 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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To: Slyfox
Trusting any politician is a hard thing to do. At least Trump is not a professional politician, which is kind of refreshing. I really do think he is sincere when he says his views have evolved through life experiences. That happens to a lot of us.

This quote from Trump, from this article is along the lines of what I believe in the right to life being a founding principle of our nation. He also states all the opportunities lost for many human beings because of abortion which I am always saddened by when you think about it that way.

“Let me be clear — I am pro-life. I support that position with exceptions allowed for rape, incest or the life of the mother being at risk,” he said. “I did not always hold this position, but I had a significant personal experience that brought the precious gift of life into perspective for me.”

Trump said America has gone astray because it has moved away from the founding principles the nation’s founders put in most — most notably the right to life.

America, when it is at its best, follows a set of rules that have worked since our Founding. One of those rules is that we, as Americans, revere life and have done so since our Founders made it the first, and most important, of our “unalienable” rights.

Over time, our culture of life in this country has started sliding toward a culture of death. Perhaps the most significant piece of evidence to support this assertion is that since Roe v. Wade was decided by the Supreme Count 43 years ago, over 50 million Americans never had the chance to enjoy the opportunities offered by this country. They never had the chance to become doctors, musicians, farmers, teachers, husbands, fathers, sons or daughters. They never had the chance to enrich the culture of this nation or to bring their skills, lives, loves or passions into the fabric of this country. They are missing, and they are missed.

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/02/01/mike-huckabee-defends-donald-trumps-abortion-conversion-he-is-pro-life-now/


211 posted on 04/19/2016 11:12:37 PM PDT by Conservative Gato
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To: tophat9000
if he falls a few short just say I’ll give a million dollar to any delegate that switchs to me from Cruz from Rubio from any other camp

You left off....And Cruz is gonna pay for it.

212 posted on 04/19/2016 11:13:08 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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To: lonestar67
We want a conservative candidate

You should try and find one then because Cruz is not him.

213 posted on 04/19/2016 11:23:14 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I heard Cruz saying tonight that he has "conservative activists" working the delegate to woo them over to his side. Is this true? Isn't it much more likely that the GOPe insiders are working the delegates? They control the party apparatus, not conservative activists.

Of course there is a grain of truth to this. There are many good conservatives who greatly favor Rafael over The Donald. But the stop Trump operation is 80-90% the GOPe's doing on a state by state basis and Rafael is merely along for the ride. And boy has it gone to his head. The Canadian anchor baby actually thinks he is doing this. Pride goeth before the fall and fall he will on the second ballot when he is discarded like a worn out rag doll. 

But 80% chance Trump will win on the first or second and that will be that. Rafael can then slink back to the US Senate and do a fine job for Texas, America and the new Donald Trump administration. After he whips Hillary so bad she will wish she had stayed home doting on her grandchildren which is what she is suited for anyway. It's repulsive seeing a crazy, power mad, 69 year old grandmother running for the US presidency. Only the devil provides such motivation.

214 posted on 04/19/2016 11:44:54 PM PDT by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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To: dennisw

A woman running isn’t bad, just Hillary is.


215 posted on 04/19/2016 11:47:53 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SubMareener
Read about, or actually take a long walk, ... to commune and ponder the events we are living through, .... and the actions you're about to take.
216 posted on 04/19/2016 11:50:59 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Pelham

Cruz is very...”lawyerly”, isn’t he?


217 posted on 04/19/2016 11:57:34 PM PDT by Salamander (My Soul's On Fire...)
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To: Salamander

He is. And his fan club thinks it’s worth imitating.


218 posted on 04/20/2016 12:02:20 AM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: Salamander

That really hit home in the Hannity interview.

Cruz would have gotten a lot more respect from me if he’d just come out and said voters don’t matter, delegates do.

Instead he tried to have it both ways, and refused to answer direct questions.

Politics as usual isn’t selling well these days.


219 posted on 04/20/2016 12:08:33 AM PDT by M1911A1 (DonÂ’t look now but Cruz has become who he used to fight against)
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To: Jim Robinson

Every Republican is a conservative at election time.


220 posted on 04/20/2016 12:10:41 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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