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Is there such thing as “legitimate taxation”?
American Vision ^ | September 8, 2014 | Joel McDurmon

Posted on 04/18/2016 3:42:27 PM PDT by all the best

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From the article: "In my view, there is simply no biblical warrant for the state to tax its citizens, period. The only warrant in Scripture is to endure taxation, generally, when it exists."

Food for thought on National Theft Day.

1 posted on 04/18/2016 3:42:27 PM PDT by all the best
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To: all the best

If the gov’t were actually defending the borders against invasion it might be different....


2 posted on 04/18/2016 3:51:36 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Live Free or Die.)
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To: all the best

Well, the Founding Fathers did not agree. However, they gave the power to “lay and collect taxes” to Congress and not the executive branch; and they certainly never intended an executive-branch bureaucracy to exist that is supported by such taxation.

Tithing is very much Biblical. The author of this piece would not be too keen on supporting a priesthood such as the Levites, something tells me.


3 posted on 04/18/2016 3:54:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Tithing does not go to government. He might be more open to that.


4 posted on 04/18/2016 3:56:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: all the best

great article thx for posting

....And once we reach this mental point, we can begin to fashion free alternatives to the slavish, thieving, and socialistic institutions of the modern state: in education, welfare, civil government, markets, defense, courts, and so much more. We simply need to get our little minds outside the box in which we’ve been stuffed. And once our minds are set free, and free indeed, it won’t be long before our butts want to follow. Maybe that’s what really frightens people—knowing that modern state might want to try to start kicking.


5 posted on 04/18/2016 4:02:02 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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I’m reminded of the tax revolt against Rehoboam now. Sadly, that was instigated by his father Solomon.


6 posted on 04/18/2016 4:03:32 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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The Ceasar of today taxes a helluva lot more than the Ceasar that existed in 33 AD


7 posted on 04/18/2016 4:03:54 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Paladin2

In short, not anymore.


8 posted on 04/18/2016 4:08:23 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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Well as a nation I think having some uniformed federal roads need a draw from all states in order to have decent roads....their are some things that need to be paid for by all in order to travel and allow commerce.....road signs are uniformed...imagine if every state had their own rules?...chaos on the roads....


9 posted on 04/18/2016 4:12:27 PM PDT by mythenjoseph (Separation of powers)
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Roads, infrastructure and military maybe.


10 posted on 04/18/2016 4:13:07 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: all the best

A rational government of a free society has a legitimate function: to preserve and protect the natural rights of the citizens from internal and external threats, to establish a system of objective laws that results in ordered liberty, and to enforce contracts including the resolution of disputes that arise therefrom in accordance with objective laws. Taxes that are used for this purpose are legitimate.


11 posted on 04/18/2016 4:21:57 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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"Tithing does not go to government. He might be more open to that.

Uh, the Bible is mostly about religion and salvation, not civil government. But Jesus himself gave civil government taxation his OK.....render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's. And that "is" in the Bible. Direct quote from the mouth of God Himself.

12 posted on 04/18/2016 4:22:12 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: jsanders2001

serfs only paid about 25% we are way over that.


13 posted on 04/18/2016 4:31:26 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: all the best

bkmk


14 posted on 04/18/2016 4:33:47 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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“There is no biblical law regarding any taxation for civil government. This leads me to believe there should be none.”

This joker doesn’t realize that the Old Testament laws were a covenant with the nation of Israel, and not a rulebook for all governments everywhere?


15 posted on 04/18/2016 4:40:11 PM PDT by Boogieman
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>Well, the Founding Fathers did not agree. However, they gave the power to ‘lay and collect taxes’ to Congress

....*ONLY* for that in which they have authority, by the Constitution. Anything else is THEFT, illegal and unconstitutional.


16 posted on 04/18/2016 5:03:42 PM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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Right. And no involvement by the executive branch.


17 posted on 04/18/2016 5:05:44 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Not only is there a legitimate taxation, there is also a legitimate filing! Daughter and son-in-law filed their taxes with the proper forms regarding the information on the erroneous W-2s and 1099s and without any questions they received back 100% of all income tax withheld along with 100% of all FICA taxes withheld! The problem isn’t the law, The problem is the people’s ignorance of the law!


18 posted on 04/18/2016 5:30:38 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledgee chosen to participate inthat is - 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: all the best

It’s just like “legitimate rape.”


19 posted on 04/18/2016 5:58:50 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Well, Jesus paid the temple tax, and Paul says “If you owe taxes, pay taxes.” A nation - really almost any group - requires common funds. The problem isn’t taxation as a concept, but how high they are, and what they are spent on.


20 posted on 04/18/2016 6:26:15 PM PDT by Hilda
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