Posted on 04/10/2016 8:21:55 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
“McCain’s resolution relied on TWO citizen parents, which is one of the requirements of natural born citizen status.”
No, only one US parent is sufficient. See 14 USC 1401(g)
Where is the transcript?
“So when were Cruz’s citizenship papers issued? “
Do you have citizenship papers?
I don’t.
I was born in the USA to two US citizen parents.
I don’t have citizenship papers, and neither do you.
“Look at how quick the official reacted.”
Means nothing. They have to print ballots, like yesterday. There is no time to waste.
Cruz qualifies under the first (right of blood, i.e., born of a mother who is a "subject"*)
But not under the second (right of soil, i.e., born within the boundaries of the King's lands).
So…… I think you are going to have a very hard time winning this. Though I'll check back when it comes up in court in 5 years.
“Our U.S. Constitution only grants Congress with the enumerated power of “Naturalization” in Article I, Section 8, Clause 4. The Constitution does not give Congress any legal-power (or miraculous-ability) to create a “natural born citizen.””
That is absolutely false.
First, the Constitution does not define “natural born citizen.”
Because it is not defined, Congress has the power to define it.
Second, the Constitution gives Congress the explicit power to define natural born citizenship under the “necessary and proper” clause. Because the term is not defined, Congress has the “necessary and proper” clause to provide a definition.
Third, the power over naturalization delegated to Congress INCLUDES the power to define citizenship in all respects including natural born citizenship.
The Founders knew that the UK Parliament had been defining natural born subjects for 100 years under the naturalization power.
Fourth, the Constitution explicitly invests the eligibility of the President to the electoral college with disputes resolved by the Congress.
Fifth, Section 5 of the 14th Amendment gives Congress unlimited power to define all forms and circumstances of citizenship.
“Father: Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, did not become a naturalized U.S. citizen himself until 2005.”
HOW?
HOW did Rafael Bienvenido Cruz become a naturalized U.S. citizen?
Answer: Because Ted Cruz’s mother was a US citizen in 2005.
Rafael Bienvenido Cruz was MARRIED to a US citizen, Ted Cruz’s mother.
That’s HOW Rafael Bienvenido Cruz was eligible to become a naturalized US citizen.
Game. Set. Match. You lose. Stop lying.
“Mother: Eleanor Elizabeth Darragh Wilson Cruz, became a naturalized Canadian citizen prior to the birth of her son Ted.”
No, she did not. This is another Trump lie.
When Trump lies he lies YUUUGEE
Dual citizenship happens all the time. People fixated on how exotic it supposedly is. The institution does not address dual citizenship, it didn't exist back then. Heck the idea of "citizenship" at all was pretty novel. And undefined. What was their concern? Loyalty. Fear that some future President, who was a loyal Brit, would try to bring the US back under the British Crown. Probably Cruz is not going to dissolve the US and re-make it as a British colony. Though I'm sure some Trump fan will come up with such a theory before too long. And millions will believe it. Because it's in the National Enquirer.
McCain’s father, I believe, was serving in the military at the time. It was a law passed to ensure that the children of Americans (particularly those in service to the country) were not erroneously denied citizenship because they happened to be born outside of America’s shores.
“As stated by many here repeatedly, it is an absolute fact that Crus wac NOT born on our soil as required in Article II and Section 1 of the United States Constitution. He is not eligible to hold the office.”
There is nothing in Article II, Section 1 about being born on our soil.
You are worse than a communist.
You want to change the Constitution to say what you WISH it to say instead of what it DOES say.
Stop lying.
“In the case of the subject of this thread, if it is factual that Cruz’s mother did indeed take Canadian citizenship prior to Ted’s birth,”
But since she did not give up her US citizenship, why are you lying about this?
Can you try supporting a candidate who does not require you to become a total liar?
“and since Canada at the time did not recognize dual citizenship, “
Canadian law is 100% irrelevant. This is part of the total brain damage of the eligibility kooks.
Why do you care what Canadian law says?
We are interpreting the US Constitution.
“it would be clear that Cruz is not now, nor never has been even a naturalized US citizen.”
So why does he carry a US passport which requires proof of US citizenship?
WILL YOU QUIT LYING????? Have some self respect.
If you cannot support your candidate without being a complete liar, try a different candidate.
“No natural born citizen could be shorn of his citizenship in that manner.”
Another false assumption by those who have had their brains scrambled.
Of course a natural born citizen can have his citizenship stripped.
“Look up the 1970 SCOTUS decision of Rogers vs Bellei. Bellei’s birth circumstances are an EXACT proxy for Ted Cruz,”
If Bellei was not a natural born citizen at birth, what was being taken away?
How could something be taken away that Bellei never had?
“and he was stripped of his US citizenship for failing to comply with certain aspects of the citizenship statute that he was naturalized under. “
It is impossible to be naturalized at birth.
No human being has ever been naturalized at birth in the history of the planet and they never will.
It is a complete bullshit phrase.
So you think Congress can amend the Constitution all by themselves?
Do you have a copy? Check out Article V.
“...if it is factual that Cruz’s mother did indeed take Canadian citizenship prior to Ted’s birth”
Cruz’s mother moved to Canada in 1967. Ted was born in 1970. At that time, one needed to be residing in Canada for five years before getting (or maybe it was applying for) Canadian citizenship. There may be other reasons for Cruz not to be a NBC, but his mom was an American citizen at the time of his birth.
Oh, god, you are such an amateur idiot.
Nothing in those statutes say who is NOT a natural born citizen.
The law you quote says you CAN get a CRBA, if you want one. It is “evidence.” That does not mean it is REQUIRED.
In the law, to say that something is evidence does not mean it is the ONLY evidence. It just means that it can be used as evidence.
But you can also use other things, too, as evidence.
You quote:
(b) Any citizen of the United States claiming that any immigrant is his spouse or child and that such immigrant is entitled to a nonquota immigrant status under section 101 (a) (27) (A)”
But Ted Cruz was not an “immigrant.”
Ted Cruz was a natural born citizen pursuant to 14 USC 1401(g).
The law you quote only applies to IMMIGRANTS.
Ted Cruz was a citizen at birth under 14 USC 1401(g).
He was never an immigrant.
“However, the Supreme Court will likely delve into the Founding Fathers intent....so it still could go either way....”
No, they won’t. Because the Constitution does not define “natural born citizen” the power falls to Congress to define the term.
The question before the Supreme Court will be whether Congress has the power to define “natural born citizen” — which Congress has been doing since 1790.
The US Supreme Court will roll over and let Congress do what it wants.
The US Supreme COurt will accept Congressional power to define who is a citizen including a natural born citizen.
If what you say is true then why isn’t it proven?
I have seen testimony by a neighbor of Cruz’s mother who said that she went with the mother when she was in the process of becoming a Canadian. Whether or not this is true can be found out for certain. Someone needs to prove this.
Nevertheless - Cruz was born in a foreign country - something that even Obama took the trouble to deny. Are you now saying that it would be ok if Obama was born in Kenya?
“So a DC law professor sues in NJ? Does he have standing?”
No, he does not.
“Wtg garden state! At least make the liar prove it instead of BS dismissals due to standing.”
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has already ruled — on substance, not on standing — that Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen...
... after hearing all the bullshit arguments by the eligibility kooks
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